V had been at the table for a few hours and he was neither bad nor really good. He appeared to want to try and play well. He appeared a bit aggressive at times but the only hand I had seen him show down was AJ after he raised 5 limpers from SB and double barreled the NFD on a Q-high board heads-up and checked the river after he missed.

Hero had been aggressive in position and hadn't over-limped during V's time at the table. I had doubled barreled several times throughout V's time at the table but only went to SD twice, where I checked back top set on a 4 flush board with the 8 after getting called OTF and OTT by a semi-tag with no other draws and mucking top-two when same player rolled over 2nd nut Flush.

OTTH:

9 handed
Effective Stack (v): $224
Hero's Stack: $517

Hero: AA

Hero raises UTG to $12, UTG+1 calls, BTN calls, V calls, and BB folds.

Flop ($51)
559

Hero bests $50 and folds to V who thinks for a 10 seconds and calls.

Turn ($151)
8

Hero bests $75 and V shoves for $162, Hero calls

River ($475)
K

Flop bet seems standard given it's four-way and I really don't want to go four-way to the turn. Turn bet was intended to price him in for a river shove on any non-diamond as well as I gauged V to be relatively elastic with his calling of bets. When V shoves, it was a bit of a surprise but not completely unexpected given his SPR - if he's the decent player I presume him to be based on the past few hours of play.

When he shoves, we needed 20% equity to be 0EV and a quick calculation at the table, I felt we had roughly 20-25% against his range of A5s, A8s, 65s, 75s, 88-99 and JJ-QQ. When I got home, I ran it through Flopzilia and with this range we can get it down to 22% - if we assume the above range and him shoving JJ-QQ about 35% of the time, but I think he shoves here quite a bit more with those two hands.

Two questions: Like or hate my line and do I have V's shoving range way too wide for this to be a profitable call in the long term?

Not saying I lost the post, but these are the types of spots I run into quite a bit and want to get more comfortable again with them.

Flop bet seems a bit high to me. What do you expect to call? I guess diamonds, but it's a paired board. Of course, normal LLNL players don't see beyond their diamonds if they have them. Once you bet the turn, you kind of have to call, but realistically what does he do this with? Does he really shove an overpair into a EP raiser who bet pot on the flop and double-barreled? Is this the time he chose to shove his flush draw?

Just hard to put him on anything that makes sense. I don't think I'd ever fold, though. Maybe he had Ad8d?

The pot flop bet 4way for two fold: to get value from 9x, over pairs and any FD that will make a loose call as well as make it look as if I were trying to "protect" TT or JJ.

It's a weird spot that might seem pretty standard to some, but to always assume he has 5x or a boat in this spot seems too tight given the under cards to the board and LLNL players propensity of overplaying over-pairs, TPTK/-GK, etc.

My only concern was why the c/r. Was he trying to get to SD but figured he's going to call another bet on the river - if another undercard comes, so why not stick it in now given I had been somewhat aggressive, or was he going with his hand all the way no matter what, or am I crushed? I have such a hard time in these spots because of all of the above...

I would have made it $15 utg.

I don't hate your cbet sizing but I probably would have made it $40. No big deal though. You have three opponents after all, and you can get called by OP, TP, PP and FD. I wouldn't expect many 5x hands.

As played OTT, I would just shove since V has just over a PSB left and a second FD appeared. Not to say he would have a heart draw but a heart OTR might kill your action. Plus by shoving you don't have to worry about getting c/r and figuring out his range. It also looks kinda bluffy which could get you called light.

Preflop really depends on other stacks at table. If everyone is shortish at $200ish, then I'd open to $20 easy. Otherwise if much deeper at this obviously loose table, I'd much prefer a limp/reraise. I hate our $12 raise, as this obviously has no chance at thinning the field and now gives 3 opponents good 21+ implied odds to stack us postflop where it'll be unlikely we'll be able to manage a fold thanks to the very small SPR.

With an SPR a little over 4 and the board being somewhat drawy, we're probably committed for stacks. So I'd PSB+ to setup a PSB turn shove.

Even as played on the flop, we still only have about a PSB left, so I'd just shove it. We can't be putting in 60% of our stack to fold, especially on a non scary card. So just get it in now, realizing that TT-KK/A9 still considers themselves nuttish.

As played, not folding.

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