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12-21-2014 , 11:37 PM
1/3 Wynn hero $750 ish.

V1 euro/maybe South American "white" male early 30. Looks well dressed. Haven't seen him play too many hands. Hero has been on table for 2hrs, v1 probably 1hr haven't seen him play too many hands

V2 Asian Chinese lady. Just lost 1 buy in $300. Terrible player. Called all in on KQJ10 board with a 9. Though she was good.

V1 $200 ish, v2 $300, hero covers

V1 utg +2 raises $12. Hero CO 44 red calls raise. SB v2 calls

Pot $36

Flop Qc8c4s

Checks to hero who bets $20

Sb folds, v1 flats

Pot $76

Turn As. V1 checks hero bets $40. I think v1 has Ax, JJ, KK maybe Qx type hand. V1 calls

Pot $156

River 2c

V1 bets $50 but strings bets instead. Dealer says no. $25 bet stands. I think v1 has some AX type hand. Hero raises the $25 to $50.

Pot $225 ish.

V1 insta shoves. Hero need to call $135 ish more.

Whatcha got?
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12-21-2014 , 11:39 PM
30-40 on flop.

90-120 on turn. (or shove)

river is garbage. not sure why you're raising. can't see how you're winning, but I'm not a fan of folding sets for 70bb at 1/3.
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12-21-2014 , 11:44 PM
Fold. People don't bluff raise the river like ... ever. Especially when a front-door flush draw gets there.
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12-21-2014 , 11:51 PM
I actually laughed when I read the river action.

I think you have to fold river.
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12-22-2014 , 01:24 AM
Just call the river. As played I'm probably folding. She usually has clubs here.
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12-22-2014 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by cas1201111
Just call the river. As played I'm probably folding. She usually has clubs here.
I don't know. I doubt she folds clubs on the flop lol

Op donking in live poker is not usually performed as a blocking bet. It usually indicates strength. You can raise for value if you want to (I doubt I would personally)but if you do I thinks it's definitely a fold.


Zy
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12-22-2014 , 01:54 AM
This is against the euro/south american guy, right? The one who played almost no hands in the past hour?

My god this is such a fold. Hell, the river should've been a crying call, not a raise. Once he bets the scare card on the river, what possible hands can he have that (a) we beat and (b) will call our raise? I can come up with only 2 hands: AQ and 22. And he'd have to be playing both of those hands in an exceptionally strange way.

You should've just called his $25. As played, cackle loudly while folding your bottom set. Maybe open-fold it if the table has a lot of recs -- it'll induce V to reciprocate, showing his flush, and the recs will decide you're some kind of sorcerer or something.
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12-22-2014 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kansaisupra
River 2c

V1 bets $50 but strings bets instead. Dealer says no. $25 bet stands. I think v1 has some AX type hand. Hero raises the $25 to $50.
Agreed; they're probably both clubs.

More on the flop and turn. Call the river the first time around; fold now.
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12-22-2014 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
Agreed; they're probably both clubs.

More on the flop and turn. Call the river the first time around; fold now.
Agree with this. Too small flop and turn, unless you're raising river to induce shove, I'm not raising.

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12-22-2014 , 05:18 AM
Pot the flop and turn
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12-22-2014 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kansaisupra

V1 bets $50 but strings bets instead. Dealer says no. $25 bet stands.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone angling with a string bet in the LLSNL Vegas games.

The guy who hasn't played a hand in a while c/c the flop and turn. Then, he leads river when the flush card hits. You definitely don't want to raise. Just call

Fold to his re-raise. I wouldn't be surprised if he occasionally shows up with AQ here, but it won't be often enough to make calling +EV.
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12-22-2014 , 07:14 AM
V1 is the original raiser, why aren't we discounting most flushes since he didn't cbet this board? I do think the river is a clear raise for value and I wonder what most of you would have said if the OP had merely asked what he should do after villain's river bet and left out his own raise and villain's 3bet.

Having said that, villain did 3bet the river when the flush completed, so I guess it's still a fold.

Oh, and as others have said, you're missing a boatload of value on the flop and turn. Big leak imo.
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12-22-2014 , 12:08 PM
Bet bigger on flop/turn, just call river, as played, easy fold.
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12-22-2014 , 12:22 PM
I like the flop bet personally. Its valueish for 2 callers and could even induce a raise.

Turn bet could be bigger, 50-60 easily, even pot sized.

Just call his River bet don't raise there.

As played.. fold.
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12-22-2014 , 12:36 PM
why did you raise the river again?

you wanted an extra $25 and put yourself in a stupid spot.
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12-22-2014 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Pot the flop and turn
Yes and yes. We've got a big pot hands...let's build a big freaking pot!

As played, fold the river. Why are we re-popping him when he obv is itching to get in the pot? Bigger sets and a flush are mainly his range, given V description. No way he's donking the river with a one-pair or other marginal hand.
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12-22-2014 , 01:32 PM
Your bets were way too small on flop and turn. 2/3-1 pot sized bets would do.

Why did you raise? IMO river bets are usually a sign of strength on very tight passive people. fold as played.
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12-22-2014 , 02:50 PM
Yeah I straight butchered this hand. Thanks for all the comments, helps tremendously.

Strange thing is, if his river bet of $50 would have stand, I would have just called.
He ended up with A10 clubs...
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12-25-2014 , 11:07 PM
Your sizing on every street is terrible, bet biggee OTF and OTT my god.
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