V1 ($425): 25 y.o. middle-eastern guy, sat at table a while ago with a full stack, mostly quiet, looks scary but seems terrible.

V2 ($1000+): Similar-aged white guy who's semi-decent, involved in a lot of table talk, bragging about how he's recovered all the money he lost in blackjack last night by playing at this table, etc. His bet-sizing is weird and he calls raises/raises himself with hands like T2o preflop, and is laggy in general, with weird bet-sizings.

V3 ($250): Drooler fish, raising $45 preflop with hands like 63o.

Hero ($500): Abso-*****-nit, haven't played a hand in hours.



V1 limps, V2 limps, V3 raises to $25, Hero calls with A5c, V1 calls, V2 calls

Flop ($100): Tc 6c 7d
V1 checks, V2 bets $25, V3 calls, Hero calls, V1 calls

Turn ($200): As
V1 checks, V2 bets $75, V3 calls, Hero calls, V1 raises all-in for $375, V2 re-raises all-in for $1000+, V3 folds, Hero folds

V1 flips over 79o for a pair of sevens
V2 flips over 89o for nut straight

River: 8c

V1 and V2 chop the pot and V3 says "I had the 9, would be a 3-way chop"

Hero laughs out loud in his mind and curses the hell out of V1 for butchering the hand and a $1000+ pot that could have been coming this way.


The question is, is that play by V1 good?

What about your play????

Your call preflop is pretty bad. I might raise flop with your image and not fold. I don't like folding turn...

Don't post results in OP

Tough to fold getting 3-1

1/3 players play bad. Who knew?

belongs in here

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...hands-1242315/

Why curse him out?

#KillTheNits

lol

Not folding turn? AFTER 2 SHOVES?

Preflop is a trivial fold, imo. Ya, sure, this guy has raised $45 before with 63o, but big deal. We just have a speculative weak suited Ace, for lol 10% of effective stacks (way too much to play a speculative hand), plus have no clue how many ways this pot may go (or whether it will get 3bet), plus we have bad relative position to the raiser (have to act first after him with others to react behind us).

I also just call the flop. It's a fairly weak donk bet, and it has just been called weakly on a drawy board, but we only have a flush draw and we don't know if our A outs are good. The pot is fairly big, but there are also some decent stacks left behind, so I think it's fine just to passively call here getting great immediate odds of 6:1 vs a couple of morons who are probably payoff wizards.

I also like turn play for same reasons, especially now that our FE against 3 turn opponents is pretty low. Haven't actually done the math, but I'm guessing we aren't getting the correct odds to chase our flush draw (and it looks given the action that is what we need to win), so easy fold to the later action. ETA: If I've added right, we're being asked to call $375 to win $1025, so ~2.7:1. 9 flush outs. Given action, I'm guessing we could probably add maybe at most 2 outs for A/5, so pretty optimistic if 11 outs, which means we need well over 3:1. Pretty easy fold, imo.

As for V1's play. His preflop play is horrendous (limping a very weak hand in EP and calling a big raise OOP in what might only end up going 3way). His flop play is bad (his 7 is probably no good given 3 people are interested in the pot, his 9 outs could be dirty, his 8 outs have poor implied odds and possible RIO against better hands plus his club outs are dirty). His turn play is also bad given that he should have little FE against 3 opponents and he's most likely way behind with few outs to catch up.

As for V2's play, I actually don't mind him overlimping V1 and attempting to get into a pot with this idiot. And even though the price is fairly steep preflop, he is going to go 4ways to the flop with morons and he is closing the action, so I can't really hate too much. I hate his flop bet size, as well as his turn bet size, needs to bet much more, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

V1:
Open limping 97o - BAD
Calling a raise OOP with 97o - BAD
Overcalling the flop bet - QUESTIONABLE
Whatever that is on the turn - UNSPEAKABLY TERRIBLE

As for you, I think A5c is a pretty easy fold for 8x, even if you think it's going multi-way.

I don't mind the flop call.

Not sure about the turn. The ace improved your hand, but I think you should be pretty confident that all it did was give you a couple more outs rather than the best hand at the time.

Did you curse the hell out of V1 in your mind as well, or was that out loud? If it was out loud, please don't do that.

3bet or fold pre


calling with A5o is terrible, at first i thought you have A5cc but then discovered otherwise

I HAVE A5cc OBV or I wouldn't make this thread lol