I think hero found the best line.

So rather than watch our Vs, learn how they play, identify ways to exploit & pounce, we should do what? Isn't that what a good playa' does?

This x 1000. I'm a strong adherent to the "theres no such thing as speech play" philosophy.

The only play you do at the poker table is when you move chips in front of the commitment line or throw cards into the muck. Speech play is not an action.

V should have a diamond draw here most of the time. I'm not even sure if he's aware of the blocker bet concept - if he was, he couldn't realistically expect a good hand to not raise a 15% PSB at 1/3.

Yeah I am here too. Most likely he ran into two pair on the turn and not a str8. I don't see value in shoving, but I will play along IP and get to the river.

Wp sir. Shoving is a massive spew overplay IMO and I was actually thinking call and fold unimproved on river was best. But I think r/f turn is a good line as well.

Ty. I totally agree that shoving pot to deny equity when there's a very decent chance I could be beat or even drawing dead is massive spew.

Nothing wrong with trying to soul read recs some of these guys leak so much info they practically turn their hand face up. I usually only care facing large bets where theres a decent chance V is bluffing. It's helped me make some ridiculous hero calls and also folds.

This spot is interesting...not that much money involved so the guy could just be relaxed for whatever reason but of the speech is unusual I do consider it a sign of strength.

I'm just calling and evaluating river. Unless he's the type to bluff a lot just flatting the 24 is fine, he shouldn't see it as particularly weak.

It's probably been said but 6x ISO seems small over two limpers especially with one so ridiculously loose he limp/calls 43.

It's my standard sizing in LP vs two limpers but like I probably said in some other thread, I need to work on being less rigid and more exploitative.

With a super loose guy in the mix, I'd probably make it a somewhat unreasonable $30 just to attempt to get it HU with him (plus setup a good stack off situation postflop).

Thanks to going multiway, the SPR is < 4, which means we're going to run into commitment decisions pretty quickly (I attempt to avoid these spots). Anyhoo, I probably bet the flop too.

Against a loose guy, I'd probably treat this super small bet as a check and just bet the amount I was going to bet (adding his bet to the pot size).

Again, the trickiest thing about this hand (imo) is how quickly we become uncomfortably committed thanks to going multiway.

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what is with your bizarrely huge pf raise sizes

you must play in weird games if people call you with worse hands when you raise this much

either winning blinds or losing to AA/KK with AK seems like poor strat to me

maybe OOP make a huge raise, but in position vs loose players i think its better to play pots postflop with good hands

not sure about always trying to set up stack off's with TPTK either, i dont think its necessary people will usually tell you when TPTK is no good well before you put your whole stack in

Villain is labelled as "super loose pre" so he'll likely call $30. As for players not calling with worse preflop to large raises, we just did a 6x raise and got called in 3 spots (including by the monster 43o).

The SPR is less than 4, which means stacks can go in postflop with just 2 PSBs or 3 ~1/2 PSBs (are you going to fold an overpair facing 3 ~1/2 PSBs) and obviously any raise will be a play for stacks; it will be difficult to get away from TP especially if our opponents don't make it easy for us.

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GG is obsessed with setting up low SPRs with hands that flop overpairs and TPTK so he can just mindlessly jam it in by the turn (preferably the flop) and avoid having to think or play multistreet poker.

I'm actually far more concerned with handcuffing ourselves preflop into incredibly uncomfortable postflop commitment decisions (which low SPR multiway pots giving multiple opponents great preflop IO situations are).

And I'm perfectly fine setting up high SPR multistreet poker situations; it's not as good as the low SPR HU easy peasy commitment case, but it is still a perfectly acceptable result (which is why a failed limp/reraise is still fine) and far better than results such as this.

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Sizing our preflop raises and postflop bets to end up with easy decisions while disregarding what's most +EV is not how I want to be approaching the game. Ambiguity is necessary anyways for growth as a poker player. If all I'm doing is getting in TPTK+ on low SPR flops vs morons a year from now I won't be a better poker player.

And I would argue that one thing that good poker players do far more often than their opponents is simply put themselves into good situations.

I also think that most overestimate their ability to accurately range and compute equities against multiple opponents with varying stack sizes in high pressure playing-for-stacks situations in the heat of the moment at the table. But, if that's right in your wheelhouse, then you'll do fine.

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