The entire table besides me and the btn is playing like every hand. There are purple chips on the table. This 1/3 had so much money on it.

I'm in BB with 88. Utg straddle $6, utg+1 makes it $20, he's been raising prob 75% of his hands, everybody to the sb calls. SB makes it $60. I decide to call. I figured if the straddle wakes up with a hand and 4bets so be it we fold. Otherwise utg+1 has raised so many hands and called 3bets odds are he's just calling. If anyone else had a premium they would've made the 3bet. Entire table calls.

We have about $800 to start the hand. Sb has us covered. Everybody else has about the same stack as us besides utg who has about $400.

Flop ($420) 8TT 2 clubs or spades can't remember.

Sb checks, hero?

Pre is OK, though if you were shorter you could consider jamming if shorter, if the initial raiser is really raising anything near 75%.

Bet small OTF. This can be perceived as you trying to name your price on a draw. It's very possible someone has a ten, and you want them to raise. Many draws can call you. Someone might call you with 99 or KQ bdfd and all kinds of stuff.

You could bet $60, the amount of the PFR. Even $50.

A lot can go wrong if you check. e.g. someone with a ten checks for whatever reason, the flush draw hits and you fail to stack them. Just go ahead and get the SPR lower without doing anything scary.

Yep. Bet small. Something like $50 might even get called by most of the table and all of a sudden you just added 200-400 more into the pot and have flush draws sticking around.


Much better chance we stack someone with a flush with more players seeing turn. Sometimes a smaller pair also sticks around and fills up.



The flip side, sometimes we get stacked when Tx fills up or JJ+ fills up (with this many players seeing flop, SB can easily be checking JJ+ here).

7 ways im betting more than 50. The odds somoeone has a ten are high and never folding. Id make it $150 to $250. $150 to keep in flush draws if the table is tight. $250 if the table is loose and flush draws wont fold to that. Get value from 10s and hopefully fold out some tight players with overpairs and anyone with 99, For $50 all those hands stick around and any card over an 8 might cost you a $1000 pot if you dont do a little protection. Vs 4 players I like the $50 to $100 bet and am unconcerned protecting and would view getting stacked as a cooler.

I would check raise the flop as option 2 far ahead of the $50 bet

Since you pegged UTG1 as someone that raises a lot, what is his tendency to call on bet flops - also if you do bet small, are you looking to just get someone to raise overtop or thin the field to 10's and FD (maybe straight draws).

If you want to thin the field, I think a bigger bet like what Larry said is warranted but if you have an aggressive table, then a small blocker bet makes more sense - you still have to just call the raise but now your SPR is much more aligned to shove turns.

85/225/shove. Never not raising at any point in the hand. If someone raises I'm assuming they have Tx which they're not folding.

$100 ish.

Might be splitting hairs here and I respect your posts a lot. But Im getting away from Q10 and probably K10 and possibly even A10 if you try to take the three streets line against me and Ive never seen you make moves. 7 players in the hand, trips is not great. And im not chasing anything but the nut flush for one street for even 85 seven ways.

I think the faster you get the money in the better chance you have to win a massive pot.

This hand is truly unique and the pinnacle of deep loose low stakes poker. Ive seen 7 players put that much money in preflop maybe twice in my life at 1/3

How the rest of the hand played:

Results:

Why i like the bigger bet gives chance to get it in vs a ten before scare cards come. Those were the two worst cards in the deck i would want to see

Even with me having 88 I hated the turn and river lol. Thought for sure it was JT/QT/KT/AT

I like the check/raise with 88 , if we had a T i’d prefer just betting

You aren’t the kind of player I’m targeting with my line. And I also want to balance making sure I get the money in when I cooler Tx with making sure draws feel obligated to call flop and turn.

In this hand if you go $85 say the 109 hand calls 100% of the time. And flush draws call 75% of the time. On the turn the flush misses and you bet $225, but that j hits. Is 109 still calling your $225 100% of the time? And what percent are flush draws calling now?

i think 10s are calling 150-250 close to 100% of the time on the flop. And flush draws not much less than the 75% at $85. Joe exotic is pretty much telling us how every 1/2 and 1/3 player plays these hands and thinks other players play these hands. Almost no one donks big multiway with massive hands on the flop, its rare and fishy unless someone has seen you do it before. It looks like a 10. Smells like a 10. But its a boat.

Your line looks like either a boat or flush draw naming their price. Once you get to the river and are firing that third barrel from early position it no longer smells like a flush draw. It smells like a boat. Like 108 suited fish boat putting in $60 pre or 88 regular thinking player boat.

And this does not even take into account the scare card factor. Say the flush comes in on the turn. You win $300 from 109 instead of $800 or whatever he jammed for. Thats a huge difference at these stakes. Between a standard day and a great day.

In the actual hand, we got raised by T9 for a bigger bet. So I’m not sure what point you’re making here. If T9 raises both bet sizes, but other hands that aren’t trips call the $85 where they would have folded to 150, then $85 is surely better. I mean if we bet 85, get called by a flush draw and then that draw hits, that’s a LOT better than pushing the flush draws out to focus on Tx, especially if that hand piles it in on the flop anyway.

I see what you’re saying here but my thinking is that this pot is so big that if someone has Tx they’re at least somewhat likely to raise anyway. And if they do raise, our sizing probably doesn’t matter in terms of stacking them. So I want to hope something else gives me action too in order to really maximize value.

There is $560 in the pot and there is no way this is a tight table if 7 people call $80 in a 1/3 game. I'd bet roughly 1/3rd of pot. Looked at spoiler after I wrote this and it seems we were thinking along the same lines.

Small bets are almost always going to be better here. No more than 1/3 or so.

Tx is going to likely raise as fish are always paranoid about flush draws. So you get to stack that guy regardless.

Some of you guys are thinking this through with logic that people who just all called a $60 3bet aren't going to be using.


This is a rare opportunity to stack multiple players for 800 or more each. And guys are focused on trying to stack one of them for 800. Thinking too small here. If you're playing deep stack, you have plenty of chances to stack a single person for 300bb. This is a chance to stack part of a table for 900bb or more.

You are thinking this through as a player that is unfamiliar with the 1/2 1/3 player pool. They dont mind getting it in behind on the flop or turn nearly as much as stacking off to the nuts after they are shown the river and dont improve. Like this guy probably snap shoved over that larger bet. Give him time to think about what your small bet means instead of normal half pot bets that are so frequent at 1/2 and they react emotionally to their holdings. Exactly like in this hand.

And for you saying thinking too small. The reality of this hand is that if H was thinking as you are he likely only gets $300 from one player. Which my “small thinking” nets $800 and if anyone else had a 10 as Vernon said they arent folding anyways, not on the flop. Small thinking wins more money 7 ways it seems. With bigger bets.