1/3 Rivers Casino, Portsmouth, NLHE, 6 handed.

Villian is unknown, but is sitting on a stack around $1200. Hero has Villian slightly covered.

SB posts 1
BB posts 3
V/UTG limps 3
Hero in CO sees AK
Hero/CO raises to 15.
Button calls $15.
V/UTG 3!bets $45.
Hero tanks.
Hero 4!bets $120 ???
Button folds.
V/UTG 5!bets >$1000 all-in.
Hero folds.

Main question here is: was 4-betting the right line to take?

4b is ok but at this stack depth vs a limp raise I think flatting is better. Our hand plays fine 3 ways.

No - honestly, I'm 99% sure flatting is the worst option here. The decision was between 4! and folding. This move is very often aces, I just don't know if it's *always* aces. If it's always aces, the correct decision is folding, if it's often aces but sometimes random-ass holdings, then the correct move is 4! and take it down pre.

If I flat, what exactly is the play here postflop? Unless I spike a flush, I'm not going to know where I am in the hand postflop. If I hit TPTK and he bets, can I really let go?

If he has aces, and I hit TPTK - he's going to get 3 streets of value from me. Possibly more.

If he doesn't have aces, and I hit TPTK - I'm not going to get 3 streets of value from him, I'm almost always going to take a cautious line.

It'd be different if I had, say JJ, or QQ, but I wouldn't be calling for value, I'd be calling to set mine (stacks are over 25x the amount I'd have to call).

I just played a very similar hand. I had AA and after a large 3-bet I push all in. Pot $1050. Villain has AKss. Oh Happy Day. The board ran out a flush for him. The odds of AKss beating AA are about like hitting a set. Betting your stack even money to hit a set, is a bad bet.

Nope. I'm 99% sure you're wrong.


- If they flat the 4bet (they should at this depth), then you're in the same spot as if you flat the 3bet. So that point is just moot.

- If you can't get away from TPTK playing 400bb deep, you should be cashing out and coming back later with a smaller stack.

- He's playing his hand extremely face up as either a hand like AA, or just trash. He's giving you a $30 shot at his $1200 stack.


At 400bb, we just call, and dump the hand if he starts trying to get stacks in and we don't cooler him.


This is super simple deep stack strategy. We stop 4betting so much and call much more often. The guy just gave you a 35:1 price for his stack and you ended up losing another $75 in an attempt to get him to fold his $45.

4bet is terrible here.

AKo, you can 4bet or fold. Leaning towards fold. But AKs is a pure call here. And we are treating this similar to set mining. Looking to cooler someone who's taking a face up line and 3betting for an amount far too small.


Odds are, he's not a good player trying to get "tricky" (especially since he shoved instead of calling)........ so we want every opportunity for them to massively screw up post flop with a huge stack. And the best times are when they are playing so face up that we know what we are trapping.

I agree with just about everything solver said here outside that AKo is a sometimes a 4bet. I’m folding or calling AKo and calling AKs. In my experience an EP limp 3bet is always AA. It’s a bit of a novice play but not necessarily a bad one depending on the action at the table. This is a situation where you get to play post flop knowing exactly what your opponent holds and you’re deep enough that you can deliver a sizable beat to him. He’s not getting away from his hand. But honestly you’re looking to suck out. So just hitting TPTK or even top 2 post flop is no good.

Yeah agree with this. Playing deep IP where villain has a face up hand and we can still have anything seems good.

I wouldn't 4bet this spot.

Why did you post this hand if your not willing to take advice. Folding to the 45 isn’t an option so either call or 4bet and your saying calling is wrong so why even post this.

This is an easy flat.

Why did you post this hand if you weren’t willing to receive feedback?

This. We are pretty welcoming to noobies, but you are getting good advice here. Use it to your benefit rather than dismiss it.

Also I have no idea what your objection is to flatting in position getting good odds. Suee you need to be cautious, byt it could be KK, AA, AK, and I've seen other random **** like 99 do this.

Looks good.

Even if solver prefers flat or mixes flat in this exact spot, i would 4! at higher frequency most live low-stakes game because utg will not be playing correct strategy/ranges.

Thread posts suggesting villain always has AA given relatively small 3! is uber-lols.

I snap flat the 3bet here, this is usually AA in my pool so flat IP and see a flop.

I'm happy to 4bet this hand but not to this move without more reads.

LOL

OP: Hey should I have 4bet this?
2+2: No
OP: You're wrong I played it perfectly!

Why even ask? Did you just want your balls stroked m8?

I would just flat the 3bet. We're in position, deep, and could also invite the Button along (not a horrendous result if we have the Button dominated). Plus this is AA/KK a ton. Plus having to fold to a reraise having put in 40bb sucks.

ETA: Pretty much what Solving/etc. said, imo.

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