HERO/BTN(300) young white

V/MP(600) young black, have seen him l/c with some junky stuff, tight pre raising range

V limps
1 other limp
HERO 15 QJ
V calls
other folds

HU
FLOP(37) AJ3

c/c

HU
TURN(37) T

V checks
HERO 20
V calls

HU
RIV(77) A

V leads 30
HERO?

have you seen him bluff? I'd probably look him up

He almost never has a flush here.

Ax is possible and a raise should get looked up by Ax or a flush. Even KJ might call

Pretty cheap price and if he has an ace well played.

I am torn between wanting to check the turn also, or putting out a little bet like you did. Dont think your losing much value if you check the turn, i feel that the bet is pretty thin.If villain is very tight/passive and plays his range faceup here (calling with worse and comes out of his shell with everything that have us beat) i can get behind a bet.

Folding river as played. This has to be complete air for us to be good and i simply dont think that happens often enough for this call to be profitable.

Preflop really depends on table for me. If limpers/blinds are tight, then I'm fine with attempting an iso raise here. But after 2 limpers at a loose table / loose blinds, I might just overlimp. I do know a $15 raise after 2 limpers is rarely going to get things done, so I'd be going $20, but table dependent.

Flop depends on Villain, imo. If he's aggro/bluffy, I'd probably check it back; if not, I'd probably lean towards a bet.

As played, I'm also now betting the turn.

Villains line is very weird. You'd think that if he had a value hand he woulda lead the turn since we checked back the flop (i.e. no guarantee of us betting the turn) or at least check/trapped us sucka on the turn. If this guy can ever show up with a bluff, I'd probably lean towards a call here (although we really only look to be beating K/Q ).

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Flop play is ok, but I wouldn't do this too often with QJo, I would have definitely bet the flop, a good amount, about 30$. If I calls, check turn and re-evaluate OTR.

As played I call the river bet, his line is weird, if you've never seen him bluff I might consider folding, but it's mostly calls here.

We only have to be right about 30% of the time here.

Easy call, if we lose, so be it.

^ What reason do you have to think Hero's good 30% of the time?

I'd c-bet, some good reasons immediately to do it and the hand plays out slightly easier. And yes, betting to make future decisions easier is a good thing, the easier the decisions, the more often you're right, which makes/saves $.

50 preflop. All in on river for value.

It's possible that c/c on the flop, our hand is under-repped.

Also, our Villain checked twice in front of us.

Yes, he could be terribad and have an A.

But we are probably good here often enough IME.

I'm asking for a number. It's easy to say "We only need to be good X% of the time, I think we are." Don't do the pot odds first, do them last. If you come up with how often you need to be good first, you'll always think "I'm good often enough" and call. If you come up with how often you're good first, then do the pot odds, there's no decision, it's just comparing the two numbers.

I'd fold for $40 here against most players. $30 looks bluffy though. Definitely calling vs a dark fella.

So what worse hands call a river shove? Just going to say this is seriously terrible advice.