V ($600): Online reg, raising every alternate hand preflop, plays well postflop, stays out of my way

1 limp, V raises to $15 in EP, MP ($300/tight guy) calls, Hero looks down at TT in HJ, Hero ???


Table is fishy, and it's expected to go 5 way to the flop, is Hero better off calling and set-mining here, or 3betting and taking the pot down right here? Hero is pretty confident they'll all fold if he 3bets as they're too scared to play him.

Easy 3bet. 3bet more if they're always folding.

Is this a standard 3bet in lp for you matzah? What about 99/88?

3bet high side like $60. I would do the same for 99/88. Even if we are called, it should be easy to play postflop.

Question:

How would you play AA here to maximize your value?

Also, what will happen if you min 3bet here?
What will the people behind call with? What will the OR call with? What will the caller in the middle call with?

As a novice I'm sort of thinking out loud and please correct me if I am misguided.

UTG (no reads) limps. V who has been raising 50% ( does he raise like that from ep?) raises 5x and gets called by a tight player ( TA or TP ?) in MP . Hero can call and play a 5 way pot or raise and likely tid pre flop (his read).

A couple of questions: Has UTG limped before from ep in unopened pots? Does V raise a lot from up front. Is the caller TA or TP? Is the caller aware V is raising a wide range generally? Do the CO, BUT or blinds show a predilection for squeezing?

In absence of this information raising to a size that will fold everyone isn't a terrible result and collecting 12.5 bbs pf with a middle pair.

Are you comfortable playing the good post flop player while you have position when he likely has a weaker range?

The tight player (the caller) would likely 3 bet w/AA, KK, QQ, to avoid turning his big pair into 22 multi way, so he has only one probable hand likely ahead of TT and he will likely tell you if he hits the flop.

I sort of like raising to 40ish to fold out the players behind you and maybe keep both or one of the 2 players in front of you in the pot with weaker ranges and oop.

I mean isn't the most ev play playing against weaker ranges while in position?

Definite call.

If Villains are likely to fold to a 3!, shouldn't we be 3! junk/bluffs and just calling with TT and allowing V's to make mistakes on future streets? 3! and picking up dead money seems like a waste of TT here.

Consider the following:
-The probability that V 4bets if you 3bet, combined with how confident you are about making the correct play if 4bet
-How afraid you are to play a 3bet pot against V, even when you have both initiative and position
-How deep are the other two players you expect to see in a five-way pot
-How likely opponents are to get stacked with a weak hand like TPGK or to call all-in with a draw on the turn
-How much you expect to lose if the flop comes all undercards to your TT when you just call and someone flops two pair or better



I think this is one of those optional spots where there is no obvious right or wrong play, or if there is, it is very dependent on player traits. I'd probably suggest calling some of the time and making the same raise you would make with AA some of the time, but I wouldn't give you a ratio of those two plays.

That's what I do. I play against a similar V on a regular basis. I go into "opposite George" mode. I 3-bet my weaker hands and flat with my stronger hands.

Like IRTM said, what do you do with aces here? It sucks to 3-bet aces and just take down the money that's in the pot pre-flop. According to your reads, you can do that with ATC....or this might be the rare situation in LLSNL where you actually need to balance your range. 3-bet your crap and 3-bet aces.

You didn't mention your stack size, which is pretty important when considering whether to 3bet and how to size it. Can we assume you cover everyone here, given you are so awesome that the whole table is afraid of you?

Neither.

Call, play poker if board allows.

This pot could go 5+ way action and you have position. 3 betting vs a player who easily can have premium here and 4 bets AK normally would not be optimal IMO.

Why go so far uphill with a medium hand, and pass up a few gigantic pots where you do flop a set 6 way etc? All the while realizing we can still win some pots without flopping the set.

I just play this one. Im not so worried that I win "this" very hand. Could care less.

Bingo

I would tend towards the more low variance route and just flat and ~setmine. Yes, there is a little dead money in the pot that a 3bet might take. But we could also get 4bet and have to throw away a potential monster. Plus we'll be in position in a multiway pot and there are some flops/action where we'll be able to take all this dead money down postflop (such as if it is checked to us on a 9 high flop).

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I tend to 3 bet a more polarized range when in position. I think TT is fine to 3 bet some percent of the time, but I lean towards calling more often than not as my default preflop line.

There is no right or wrong answer depending on the reads at the table. Id say I default to a call because 10s have a lot of value and I'd hate to be blown out of the pot. We are getting great odds on a call and have the ability to win a huge pot. Unless your effective stack size is like 30bb then you can shove profitability