Okay so before you guys flame me for floating flop, I’m trying to open up my game and the following hand is one such effort:


6 handed, 1/3, $300+ eff

Hero opens $12 T8dd UTG, only BB (spot, Asian that I’ve seen do some colorful things) calls.

Flop ($25): 633sdc
V checks, Hero bets $15, V xr to $45

Now I realize that this V is capable of attacking these paired low textures as a bluff since I can’t stand a lot of heat as the PFR here. He shouldn’t have many 3x here but neither should I, so although I want to play back here by 3betting, I can’t, since I’d play my entire range as a call or fold here. With one diamond out there, I decide to float. His range should mostly be some 6x raising for info I guess, but maybe also 77-99 kind of hands + bluffs maybe, and the occasional A3.

Turn ($115): 2d
V bets $55, Hero ?

Good turn in the sense I pick up equity but bad in the sense that OESD gets there. Obv I’m never folding, but although I do want to semi bluff raise here, does it make any sense to a thinking player? I don’t think so, therefore elect to just call, planning to bluff rivers.

River ($225): 6h
V bets $200, Hero obv folds

Worst card ever, since 6x formed a ton of his range that could raise flop for info, and make a small pot controlling bet OTT. Any other river I was bombing super hard.



Did I play this alright?

1) Fold pre

2) Fold flop

3) Fold turn

This must be a troll post?

I'm all for trying new techniques, but almost every part of that hand was a massive spew. Reverse each street, and it would have been played perfectly.

If you must continue, either 3b flop and bet turn and riv OR bet call flop ckr turn. I think you can rep OPs very easily this way on 633r particularly with the reads you laid out. You’re gonna need more heart though if you’re going to have this hand here - calling is brutally bad. You either have a value range that takes this line for range protection or just check fold flop. Pre is also no good. You just can’t make enough straights nor deep enough at ~100bb to open this far down.

Most sources are going to recommend that J9s/T9s are opens, so I think T8s is fine once you've established reads at the table and with the BB being a spot.

Flop bet is fine. Once you get raised this doesn't seem like a great float. I'd consider it one of your worst bluffs considering you opened UTG. I think KQ BDFD and such are better despite not having the BDSD since pairing your overs is going to win more often. 87s BDFD is also better because it's a tighter 3-straight.

Not sure why you think he can't have much 3x, btw. Hands like K3s/43s/53s etc. are losing defends in a raked game vs. a 4x UTG open, but I wouldn't expect a fish to fold them.

I’m in position.

Fair enough, still don’t like the bet call, call line. Still don’t like T8s for reasons browni outlined regarding straight-making. It isn’t the next rung down from T9s either as far as hands to add to a range. Being able to make more straights/turn more straight equity means a lot.

If you're going to open up your range, you want to do it on the button first, not UTG. And you open up with the top of your folding range, not some hand that is surrounded by lots of other hands you fold, too.

This is just FPS spew. The flop is going to encourage lots of floaters since 77+ and lots of overs are going to call. LAGs bet into weakness. When someone raises you, they aren't showing weakness. If raised and they have nothing, they fold.

Im all for "opening up your game". This is not how you do it.

Preflop is fine
Flop cbet is close to mandatory. Fold to the flop raise. You're not deep enough for anything else.

I don't mind preflop as the occasionally mix it up play but only very rarely and when you think there is some chance everybody folds preflop. Flop c-bet is obvious, your hoping to take it down then. When you get checked raised you need to just give up. Your not deep enough to mess around.

You just have to fold the flop.
On the flop he has A3, A6, 56, 54, 22-88 and occasional air that you are still behind.
On the turn there is even less air in his range and even more 6x+. Is he folding A6 on the turn? Do we have info to support that? The only moment to consider bluffing is the turn if he gives your UTG open respect and can find folds.

I obviously fold preflop but if you absolutely feel you must mix it up once and a while 6handed then whatever, and we did manage to get in HU in position (so if that's the expected result it can't be horrendous). But mostly wait for position if we must get out-of-line, imo.

I'm either/or on the the flop. Even though we have no showdown value I think we should be checking behind some of the time against tricky thinking players attempting to rep a pot controlling pair. A cbet is obviously fine too but I think we have to fold to the check/raise; at least wait for hands with some equity / potential before we start getting too out-of-line with ATC, imo.

I'm ok with the turn call given this price and river looks obvious.

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It's good that you know this. How could we design a strategy to take advantage of this? If you think V is going to attack paired low textures as a bluff, let's start constructing a value-3betting range and raise some hands as a bluff. We can start value raising 88-AA, 66, and any 3, and bluffing with 54s (if you have it), 87s with backdoor flush draws, and some random suited overcards with bdfd.

I haven't done in depth analysis of this, but the point is that if you know he can be playing back you need to think about it before you bet the flop and know what you want to do with all your hands.

Ill have to disagree completely. The flop is 633. The preflop raiser should easily be able to "stand a lot of heat".

That's a terrible flop to bluff raise vs the preflop raiser. Especially if he is fairly tight and opened UTG. Hes going to have mostly largish pocket pairs.