1/3 Stack off w/ QQ on flop following donk lead?
Join Date: Dec 2018
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New 1/3 table and no hx w players
Villain 1 is younger white headphone wearing male and villain 2 is younger black male buying in for the min, also w/ headphones but drinking a beer
Effective stacks are 400 and hero covers
2 limps and hero opens QQdh to 18 in cutoff
Main villain calls in SB and villain 2 calls in bb
(45) Flop: J7cc3s
Villain 2 in bb donks for 25
Hero raises to 100
Main Villain raises to 200 in SB
BB Folds
Hero?
Join Date: May 2018
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I fold here, flop 3bet here is very strong after two villains show interest and sizing seems to want a call. He has all sets in his range, even combo draws aren't really too behind vs QQ
Join Date: Dec 2012
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Most likely only 3 combo of 2pairs, I'd stack off unless I think villain is nitty, he has enough TP & combo draw there.
Join Date: Apr 2017
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Fold. V says he can beat one pair. He doesn’t expect you to fold to this sizing. I’d believe him and let it go.
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SPR is 8.5 which will require 3 bets to go in postflop for stacks, and if they do very rarely will an overpair as the preflop raiser be good (unless up against an idiot). So I don't feel committed on the flop.
Since I don't feel committed on the flop, I just flat the flop donk. Yeah, it's somewhat drawy, but he's basically donked what I would have bet, so I'm cool with just seeing a turn in position and going from there without getting into commitment issues (and possibly even blowing out hands that I want to continue such as pairs).
As played, I fold. It's possible guy is getting aggro with a combo draw, but most people get aggro with draws when the have FE and it certainly doesn't look like he has FE when we've raised preflop and the flop; plus he still has to worry about the donker actually having a hand too. For the most part we're either crushed or slightly behind, and rarely way ahead.
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Join Date: Jun 2013
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you just got check/raised 3!. hate having to fold an overpair, but this guy is either hardcore clicking buttons or he has you crushed
i would guess you're up against a combo draw, at best, and at worst 2P+
Join Date: Dec 2018
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Result:
Though I hated it I figured he had enough combos of TP + FD to get it in; also I perhaps incorrectly assumed that this villain was a young agro player who might play a draw this way (in fact I would probably play a strong this way); I also have generally taken the route that unless I have a hx I generally dont give credit to flop raises and assume sets because Ive seen just too many times where ppl wake up w something 45cc and decide to spew...turns out I was way wrong because this player ended up being the nittiest of nits and left like 3 orbits after this hand
Hero shoves for 400 effective...villain snap calls w/ 77 and holds
In hind sight I hate raising to 100 and becoming pot commiter w SB to act. I led to this sizing expecting villain to ship it as he was playi g a short stack game. I wasnt expecting a 3bet from main villain. I think I should be raising here to like 75 instead. Then if villain 3bets to like 200 I dont feel as pot committed. The 3bet looks super strong as well as mentioned so I think at a 1/3 game its probably better to find a fold here and pick a better spot