1/3, 9max

eff stack 300

utg limp 3,
utg+1 (main vil, pretty much unknown, saw one openraise from mp w/ 43s) isor 10,
mp (loose passiv fish) coldcall 10,
co (hero) overcall 10 w/ 9d9x,
couple folds,
utg limp/call 10

pot ~40
flop (4way) 863dd

utg x, vil cb 20, mp call 20, hero call 20, utg xf

pot 100
turn (3way) Qd
vil cb 20, mp fold, hero call 20

pot 140
river (hu) 2
vil cb 50, hero ?

I raise pre all day. I raise flop most days. AP idk.. probably about break even for the price you're getting. Smells like TT or JJ.

Dont see you ever being ahead here but also villain is betting such small amounts after the flush came in the only reason I can see calling turn is to jam the river. So now you are here and going on bet sizing population read I like a jam.

Very close here not having a ton of history with villain. For that sizing I think we can bluff catch. Villain could have bluffs and he could just have 8x and not know what to do. He could also have AA-TT or Qx.

What is the rake structure? Unraked 3bet or call are probably fine. Raked I probably lean more towards 3bet or fold.

It is an interesting thought to bluff jam, but I think we beat too much. Maybe 7d7x could bluff jam, but that is an ambitious call on the flop multiway. We also won't have too many flushes here. I think JJ, TT, might be too thin of a range to target by jamming 99 here. I think he would have to have Qx and fold to a jam here, and it's not a huge size raise for the pot size.

I think the bluff jam is thin but these small sizings make it look like his range is something like this. AA-6. Kk-6. Jj-6. 1010-6. AQ-12. AK with the Ad-4 Maybe im putting him on too narrow of a range? I think a lot of those hands fold to a 5x $250 jam on the river. AA and KK would probably call 75% in my games but AQ would fold 75% 1010,JJ would fold near 100%.

Arbitrary numbers and percentages I know, but everything is arbitrarty and unknown. 12 combos call you lose to 4.5AA 4.5KK 3AQ 24 combos fold you would otherwise lose to if you call 1.5AA. 1.5KK. 9AQ. 6 1010 and 6 JJ.

Maybe im not giving enough credit to him calling more of those hands like JJ that contain a diamond?

I'm either/or preflop but think flatting is perfectly fine (keeps fish in, in position, possibility of making a monster versus the field, etc). 3betting isn't horrible against an obviously wide opener but I might lean to that with more dead money callers.

I'm fine with flop.

Turn is ug. Mostly facing a third street of aggression into multiple opponents I would find a fold here. But facing this price? Still, I think I lean to a fold. ETA: Ug, missed the fact that we have a diamond that may (???) be in play. Ug.

Think I would fold the river too.

GcluelessNLnoobG

3bet or fold preflop, really? Facing a lol 3x raise, having a fish involved, and being in position on what will be at least a 4way pot?

GI'mthenittiestguyonthisforumandIwouldneverfoldher eG

In order to bluff catch we need to know first and foremost if the villain is capable of bluffing, which we don't. His range is wide and he could have 2 pairs or a queen as well as a flush or maybe he rivered two pair plus he has all the over pairs bigger than nines in his range too. I would fold.

Also now realizing the main question of the thread (i.e. should I bluff catch), my guess is our default baseline should be to almost never bluffcatch when an opponent has shown aggression into multiple opponents (especially on a later street). Just not enough run-of-the-mill LLSNL players do this, so we should see some examples from our villain that state otherwise before considering it.

GimoG