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04-01-2012 , 12:42 AM
$1/$3 (max buy-in is $600) - $132 stack, 10 handed

I don't ever play small stack, and generally always top off/buy-in for max... anywho...

UTG is tilting, lost a big hand earlier with a straight flush draw and has been whining about "not hitting draws" for about 10 minutes straight. Super ABC player. He pops it to $15...I'm UTG +1 with QQ... is this an auto-shove spot? Even if UTG isn't tilting, is shoving standard here? Raising to $40-$45 was a thought, but it only leaves me with about $90 behind.

The way the hand played out is sick, but it doesn't really have any bearing on anything, analysis-wise.
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04-01-2012 , 12:46 AM
Raise to $40-$45 and shove/call the flop. Shipping here just loses too much value, even tilting players are going to fold a lot when you make it $100+ more, whereas he is calling nearly always when you make it $40-$45.
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04-01-2012 , 01:11 AM
agreed, raise it to 45 and then ship on the flop.
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04-01-2012 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mjm
Raise to $40-$45 and shove/call the flop. Shipping here just loses too much value, even tilting players are going to fold a lot when you make it $100+ more, whereas he is calling nearly always when you make it $40-$45.
+1,

you want to raise such that when he calls you have roughly a PSB left, then you can shove most flops and he has to call if he hits "ANY" piece of the board or if he has any pair.

Hopefully, you get a non ace flop and can shove.

To be clear, we are shoving all non ace flops, no fancy play syndrome.

Lastly, if there is an Ace on the flop and action checks to you, you can make the case to shove as you would have "some" fold equity if he called with a weaker Ace. Only problem is, too many players (especially tilting players) will make the crying call with the weak ace saying, "I know you got AK or AQ, F--- it I call "
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04-01-2012 , 02:15 AM
3bet whatever amount you think he is likely to call. $40 or so seems good. Even smaller is possible if he is going to fold a lot.
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04-01-2012 , 02:17 AM
And no one is ever folding if they flop whatever ace they called with. There's no way someones going to call off that much and fold when they hit TP. So I would rather not turn QQ into a bluff. If the flop is Axx I would just check back. If they checked the turn I would start thinking about value bets.
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04-01-2012 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dgiharris
+1,

you want to raise such that when he calls you have roughly a PSB left, then you can shove most flops and he has to call if he hits "ANY" piece of the board or if he has any pair.

Hopefully, you get a non ace flop and can shove.

To be clear, we are shoving all non ace flops, no fancy play syndrome.

Lastly, if there is an Ace on the flop and action checks to you, you can make the case to shove as you would have "some" fold equity if he called with a weaker Ace. Only problem is, too many players (especially tilting players) will make the crying call with the weak ace saying, "I know you got AK or AQ, F--- it I call "
This is the initial thought process that ran through my head. However, if I get another call (or 2) behind me, doesn't that totally destroy this line? I'd be betting $90 into $130+
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04-01-2012 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ArcadianSky
This is the initial thought process that ran through my head. However, if I get another call (or 2) behind me, doesn't that totally destroy this line? I'd be betting $90 into $130+
First off, WE WANT OTHER CALLERS.

If we do pick up more than one villain and an Ace hits the flop, then don't bother shoving, just let it go.

However, ideal scenario is that 2 more players call and we get a non-ace flop and can shove... Odds would be good that a player hits enough of the board to pay us off.

(was a little confused by your post, I'm assuming you were talking about us shoving if an Ace hit on the board. Against multiple villains, if an Ace hits, we're done, surrender . But in general, with QQ if we raise $40 - $50 we are fine with getting multiple callers, we just don't want an A or K to hit flop)
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