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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
If villain is just normal or unknown player i would just call. Im only raising based on villain is tilting maniac
yeah this was where i was at - i was tryin to make sure i properly explained what i was perceiving of villain in my OP and not let post hand info bias presentation.
i dont have access to a GTO Solver that allows me to adjust opponent ranges to sub optimal ranges both pre and post (how that range collapses or shifts with regard to bet / call options) but there's a free one I may try to put this hand through and see what that result looks like.
that said the GTO solver i plugged this into would have 56cc shoving river in a hero as BU and v1 as BB as a way to just capture wider opening ranges but post flop play obviously affects the ranges that arrive at the river so it's applicability is somewhat lessened. also its only 100BBs vs effective stacks being closer to 200. Alternatively if i adjust post flop betting a little bit to keep the ch/raise action in there the BB would be x/raise all in on river and BU is 100% calling 56cc there as well.
Not a justification of my conclusion due to the myriad of different variables in that solution vs the above hand's situation but as far as defining optimal ranges on the river 56cc is both a shove or a call depending on action.
So diverging form optimal in my eyes became a matter of "live players dont have enough bluffs here" vs a sheer comparison of combos villain has that im behind vs combos im ahead and THIS is where I just felt lost - I either have to only give villain the nuts every time and fold the x/raise or I start adding some **** and suddenly 56cc instantly shifts to stacks in the middle.
Maybe the deeper question here is in the responses above regarding just calling here - where do we handicap estimated ranges and therefor in doing so polarizing villain's range extremely to a simplification that doesnt linearly/rationally make sense but arrives at an above consensus that has us now calling 56cc in this spot (eg. villain's range for purposes of analysis is top boat 1 combo AA and one combo 72o say) which would make a call here a very sensible action as a result.