Hey what's up LLSNL, it's probably been at least a couple months since I posted a hh. Glad to be back and I hope to add value to the community

V1 (320)- 60 yo asian male, haven't seen him play because he recently joined the game, I would guess nitty
V2 (600)- 35 yo asian male, loose, prone to spaz
Hero's Image (700)- 25 yo white male, tag

Preflop (54):
Hero is SB dealt QT
V1 raises to 15 from MP, V2 calls OTB, Hero 3b to 75 from SB, both call.

It looked like a decent spot to win uncontested pf but has some playability when called.

Flop (224):
T43
Hero bets 80, V1 folds, V2 calls.

I go for some value, shutting down if called/raised by V1.

Turn (384):
8
Hero bets 100, V2 ships it for about 350 more. I think about it for a sec and ask him to show me one, he shows a T. Hero folds.

V2 could have a set of 2p, I don't think he is raising JT or worse I have to let it go.

You're repping a premium hand 3betting from the small blind. Flop bet should be larger IMO. Like 140-165. I'm checking turn too. Fold on turn is correct.

I don't like squeezing without better reads on V1's opening range. Nitty 1/3 players often have a very strong range from MP, which leaves us in a world of hurt when we get flatted (and are OOP to a range that crushes us).

Flop is okay I think. On a dry board, with players who won't exploit us, and a medium strength hand, I don't mind betting small here.

Turn I check. Not going to get three streets out of this hand, so let's hope they bluff catch us on the river with 77 if we check here.

As played obvious snap fold.

Him showing the card is weird but I don't really see JT or T9 here.

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Please reread the description of V2, and then tell me you are folding anything of value needing ~23% equity.

Smh.

Given your reads of V1, IMHO pre-flop is a fold.
AP: Fold.

Usually new 60 yo players tend to start slow, warm-up into the game, no? I think I'd fold pre after he raised $15.

I haven't officially subbed to your PG&C thread, nonetheless a few scans indicate your work and dedication is admirable.

Why did you bet flop/turn so small. He can be value shoving worse given your extremely weak bets. I'm calling

I would just fold preflop. We have no real read on V1, I assume he has no real read on us, plus we're OOP, plus we have a crap dominated hand, plus spazzy (i.e. tricky?) V2 is coming along with or within V1, like, always, right?

I like the small flop bet / plan. Decent chance our hand is best, but if it is it is vulnerable. A small bet should get this done, cuz overs ain't calling for a huge $80 (even though is is very small for size of pot).

Kinda in a gross spot overall on the turn. We only have a little more than a PSB left and we're still in the hand with a spazzy guy with TP. If he didn't show, I think we'd have a much tougher decision.

Overall, I see no reason to be in this spot (i.e. fold preflop, poker is easy).

ETA: I know you alternate between different lower stake games, but at the lowest level (i.e. 1/2 & 1/3), there really is no reason for this preflop FPS. V2 just took $15 and $75 cold to the face preflop with a hand that apparently contains a 10. Unless his other card is a 10, this is just horrible. So there is no reason to get out-of-line here with crap hands.

GimoG

I agree with preflop being a fold. 3 betting is better than calling however.

I'm not even convinced that a 3bet is better than a call. If we call, we're getting 40x implied odds against a guy who looks like he's willing to stack off for 200bbs postflop with possibly just TP.

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I think it plays better when we can 3 bet it preflop and get a reasonable amount of folds, and/or go to the flop with a hand that plays decently postflop against a lot of loose 3 bet/call ranges.

Folding is obviously the superior play in the vast majority of situations though.

How does QTo play well against a loose 3bet call ranges?

What exactly do those hands/ranges look like?

Your bet sizing on each street is way too small, it becomes an induce.

It plays well enough when comparing it to the EV of calling. It has blockers to some hands that villain may 4 bet, and to the top of a 3 bet/call range.

Generally, I would expect calls from suited aces, suited connectors, small/medium pocket pairs and some broadways. If they continue with a tighter range, we make more money from the folds.

I still think folding is the best option.

Does not compute

Ggobbly-WHY?-gookG or however you do it

Bad spot to 3b pf imo