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07-30-2011 , 03:43 AM
Stack Sizes:
Hero $113 (Bought in max, $200, lost a flip to a short stack)
Villain $150

I have some history with the villain. He knows my playing style and vice-versa. He has plays LAG and is an above average player. I am playing classic TAG and have not seen a flop in about 30 min.

I am on the Button. MP limps for $3. I look down at QQ. I raise to $10. Villain in the small blind raises to $23. BB folds and MP folds. I know he 3 bets light and since I have position I think flatting is a reasonable and decent play, also, I do not think I am deep enough to 4 bet it's either fold, call, or shove. I flat.

Flop comes 268. The pot is $52. Villain bets $25. I thought about raising, but I could not raise without committing myself. I decide to flat to allow the villain to barrel the turn. I thought flatting represented two high cards with a heart and any non heart turn villain would shove. I call.

Turn comes A. Pot is $102. Villain thinks for 10 seconds and shoves. I knew this was a perfect card to bluff at. Villain knew I knew this. I believe I leveled myself and I folded with about ~60 behind.


I know there will be some people saying 4 bet preflop, however, he will fold to a 4 bet most of the time. Since I had position and since he was the preflop aggressor I knew he would Cbet most flops.

Looking back on everything I wish I would have shoved the flop. However, for my image and my history with the villain I believe my play is going to be right a majority of the time, maybe not this one...

So... what would you guys have done differently?

Last edited by Shelldonahue; 07-30-2011 at 03:56 AM.
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07-30-2011 , 05:20 AM
Raise a bit more PF. 4bet jam. especially if you think he 3bets light here. As played all in on flop.
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07-30-2011 , 05:27 AM
he's not 3betting you light when him and you are both short. just get it all in preflop. as for the flop, just put it in.
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07-30-2011 , 12:15 PM
out level yourself at 30 some bb, that's your problem, play abc get it in either pre or as played on the flop!
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07-30-2011 , 03:21 PM
Putting in ~50% of your stack and folding is almost always going to be incorrect.

W/ a limper pre, raise bigger. I don't hate the flat of the 3bet if you were a bit deeper. With 113 4b jamming isn't bad though.

OTF, you're putting in 1/2 your stack by calling, you ARE committed to the pot at that point. Time to shove.
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07-30-2011 , 03:33 PM
Flat PF is meh. As played, shove flop ALWAYS. If he 3bets light, you're way ahead of his cbet range here. He could have Ax, where you're a 2.3:1 favorite, or 99-JJ with a heart where he may stack off against you if believes you have Ax.
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07-30-2011 , 03:33 PM
I have no problem with preflop, though I would likely 4 bet. In regard to the flop call, I definitely would have gone all in here.

As played to the turn, I don't see how you fold when the ace comes here. We may still have outs even if he does have an ace, which is certainly not all of his range here. I think we are still ahead of a lot of his range, and there is too much invested to fold.
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07-30-2011 , 04:08 PM
pre flop 30 in pot if I counted right? raise him to 60 pre to get his crap out and take the money down.

the goal is not always to be the trick master of value town. the goal is to make money with limited exposure.
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07-30-2011 , 04:23 PM
Misplayed every street, IMO. Rebuy before the cards are dealt. Make it more like $15 preflop. When he 3bets you, you should just 4bet shove. Shouldn't have even got to the flop, but this is an obvious shove. Best overall advice I can give you is to stop overthinking things. People don't care about your tight or loose image. They do care about if you're winning or losing, though. You shouldn't level yourself into folding obvious shove situations or getting tricky in general. Your opponents simply aren't thinking at the level you are if you are posting on 2p2.
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07-30-2011 , 06:06 PM
If stacks were deeper, flatting the 3bet is much better than 4betting imo.

Everyone saying that we're ahead of his 3bet range so LDO 4bet should think about his continuance range; sure he 3bets wide but does he call a 4bet as wide? we want to keep all those hands that we're ahead of in the pot.
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07-30-2011 , 06:33 PM
pre - Since your so short shove pre is fine, but I don't mind flat either to let him spew if that's his image. Your open size is too small tho.

Flop - shove for your remaining $65....u often have the best hand and there's plenty that can call. If you're behind u prob have lots o equity.

turn - I'm calling. Great card for him to barrel, tho does hit his range as well. And again, u still have 11 outs most likely if you're behind.
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07-31-2011 , 12:16 AM
dont mind the flat PF too much but shoving is fine as well. ig uess mostly dpeends on how your image is.

but flop most def. we check to setup c/r here without a doubt. say he has JJ or 1010 when we call so many scare cards slow him down considerably.
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07-31-2011 , 01:42 AM
Wow easy jam pre and MANDATORY jam on flop. Turns a fold you beat nothing
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