1/3 300 max casino

Hero UTG - reg. Image of aggressive guy who usually has a big stack

Villain SB - reg. Have played with him a few times at 1/3 and 2/5. Competent and aggressive. Haven't been involved in a lot of pots with him though.

effective ~800

Hero QQ UTG open to 15

Btn Calls

SB 3bets to 65

Hero 4bets to 175

Btn folds

SB Calls

$365 flop 234 rainbow
SB checks
Hero 125
SB takes maybe 5 seconds and jams 625 total
Hero?

As playedI'm calling. I see JJ often enough I'm these spots. He can even have AK which can figure it can havd as many as 10 outs vs QQ or JJ

4betting pre is debatable. I hate that the button is getting a good price to call, but you opened 5x from UTG and you are 267bb deep facing a 3bet from the small blind from a competent player. The main play here is to call. KK is not even a mandatory 4bet. But generally speaking our 4bets with be AA, KK, mixing 4bet or call with AK, and occasionally 4betting mainly with bluffs that contain either an A or K to lower the chances villain had AA, KK, or AK themselves. Hands like A5s, KQs can mix fold and 4bet (only 4bet vs someone who 3bets light and will fold a lot).

PRE - I'd probably 4B bigger, around $200. SB's 3B is actually kinda small, given that you opened UTG and the BTN called.

FLOP - size down with the c-bet, probably around $100.

AP, I dunno. Seems like he's repping exactly A5s or 65s, but I'm not sure if he's calling the 4B pre with those hands, or check-raise jamming flop with them. I could go either way, depending on how capable I think he is of doing this with a worse PP or AK.

Snap call happily. Agree with 4b being very dicey. You’re in bad shape if it gets in pre this deep.

If you think he's competent , he's not going to check-jam JJ against your 4-betting range, unless villain reads you as a super knit who would fold KK/QQ here.

AP I fold.

Surprised at the disagreements about 4betting. It's not a pure 4bet for me against population, but against someone capable of squeezing I figured fairly standard.

I figured jj or worse would call down, and didn't think he'd jam almost 200bb with AK in a spot where most people aren't folding. I mucked. He didn't show but said he had aces after my long tank and he was very surprised I folded.

Agree with the fold and reasons for 4betting.

So...awkward confession...my first instinct was to say "fold", but I made the mistake of reading Mlark's post, which seemed reasonable enough, and decided to hedge by saying I could go either way, even though, in my gut, this felt like a fold.

What makes this spot harder is that you're playing 1/3 but you're $800 deep against a 3B'er in the SB. At $500 or less, he's probably just 5B jamming AA/KK/AK pre, not flat calling and seeing a flop OOP. In most 1/3 games, stacks are just going in pre when you both have QQ+/AK. But 5B jamming $800 here, hoping to get called by QQ/KK/AK, is ridonkulous.

Could V be jamming $625 into $490 with worse PP's or AK? At 1/3, sure, maybe. But that would be a big spew, even at 1/3. This felt more like AA, A5s or 65s.

To be fair to you, his play still doesn't make a lot of sense, check-raise jamming >1.25x pot on the flop, on this stupid-low, disconnected board that will either make you the wheel or completely miss your 4B'ing range.

I'd have folded QQ, too, and maybe even KK, for the same reasons I'd have folded those same hands if he 5B jammed pre. He's repping super-strong, in a spot where you're also repping super-strong, and neither of you has any bluffs.

All of which goes back to pre-flop. His 3B was kind of small, looking like he was trying to induce a 4B, or give himself a cheap price on a bluff. I'm not sure why he's taking a small size to induce a 4B at this stack depth, instead of just 3B'ing larger, to build the pot and lower the SPR.

If you sized up on your 4B, and he 5B, you'd have saved some money by just folding, rather than c-betting the flop. And, again, after 4B'ing pre, any size, we can size down with our c-bet here. If he check-raises, we're still folding, but we save money.

His whole line is kinda terrible.