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Originally Posted by PepperoniRollz
Surprised at the disagreements about 4betting. It's not a pure 4bet for me against population, but against someone capable of squeezing I figured fairly standard.
I figured jj or worse would call down, and didn't think he'd jam almost 200bb with AK in a spot where most people aren't folding. I mucked. He didn't show but said he had aces after my long tank and he was very surprised I folded.
So...awkward confession...my first instinct was to say "fold", but I made the mistake of reading Mlark's post, which seemed reasonable enough, and decided to hedge by saying I could go either way, even though, in my gut, this felt like a fold.
What makes this spot harder is that you're playing 1/3 but you're $800 deep against a 3B'er in the SB. At $500 or less, he's probably just 5B jamming AA/KK/AK pre, not flat calling and seeing a flop OOP. In most 1/3 games, stacks are just going in pre when you both have QQ+/AK. But 5B jamming $800 here, hoping to get called by QQ/KK/AK, is ridonkulous.
Could V be jamming $625 into $490 with worse PP's or AK? At 1/3, sure, maybe. But that would be a big spew, even at 1/3. This felt more like AA, A5s or 65s.
To be fair to you, his play still doesn't make a lot of sense, check-raise jamming >1.25x pot on the flop, on this stupid-low, disconnected board that will either make you the wheel or completely miss your 4B'ing range.
I'd have folded QQ, too, and maybe even KK, for the same reasons I'd have folded those same hands if he 5B jammed pre. He's repping super-strong, in a spot where you're also repping super-strong, and neither of you has any bluffs.
All of which goes back to pre-flop. His 3B was kind of small, looking like he was trying to induce a 4B, or give himself a cheap price on a bluff. I'm not sure why he's taking a small size to induce a 4B at this stack depth, instead of just 3B'ing larger, to build the pot and lower the SPR.
If you sized up on your 4B, and he 5B, you'd have saved some money by just folding, rather than c-betting the flop. And, again, after 4B'ing pre, any size, we can size down with our c-bet here. If he check-raises, we're still folding, but we save money.
His whole line is kinda terrible.