1/3 effective 500.
Hero has TAG image.

UTG+1 loose/passive fish opens to 16. Hero UTG+2 QQdh reraises to 55. SB TAG/ABC REG calls. UTG+1 calls.
3 ways
(168) Flop J96ddd
X x hero bets 60. SB calls. Fold.
(288) Turn 4c
X x
(288) Riv 7d
X hero?

Value town?
I range v on: JJ, TT, 99, 88, AKxd, AQdd, maybe?

This is having a read on your villain. Are there enough hands that pay you off vs better hands? I'm inclined to bet/fold small. Villain probably bets their good flushes on river and shouldn't be raising without a nut flush but will probably call off a small bet. Against most villains around $100, there are villains I check this against though.

Hyperknit: could you explain your reasoning for x behind on turn? Thanks!

AP: check behind as bet targets a very limited range for V.

I bet this turn and probably go a bit higher on the flop.

As played, just check against a TAG/ABC REG. He'd not calling with worse (or shouldn't be if description is correct). I might call a small bet, but it's a table read. Not sure what else he could bet with but Ad or Kd after his call on flop.

Also, I cannot ever imagine that V has a set here unless read is wrong. He should absolutely be raising a set on the flop or at least betting turn.

I definitely think the flop bet should be a larger size, especially since we are multi-way. I'd probably size somewhere around 95-115. This would set up an approximate pot size jam on the turn, should you want to go that route.

Tough one.

V is never folding the Kd or Ad. So I don't see V calling with enough hands. The Jd and 9d are on the board, so the 10d and 8d are the next diamonds. V likely doesn't have a set or 2pair since V didn't raise the flop or bet the turn. So it looks like V has a pair of jacks....sometimes with the 10d. When you bet the flop and check the turn, V may not believe that you have a diamond in your hand and they could raise you on a bluff, which you would be folding the best hand.

Check back.

I think your range for V is reasonable, except no AQdd obviously. I feel like a TAG/ABC reg should be folding AQo here, so I'm mostly worried about the big diamonds from AKxd or maybe a weird KK/AA with diamond (don't really understand how these hands got to your action on the river without putting in any additional money at any point).

I'd bet/fold about $125 on the river. I think V can call with a set, or TT/88 with diamond. I also am not terribly scared of V's range, I think most of the time they'll just check/fold which is worth something to me, I'd rather not show my cards if I can avoid it and keep them guessing.

You have the Q so I don't understand how villain's range contains AQ. I also don't understand those saying check check on river. After villain sees check check on the turn, there's no way he's not assembling a bet on the river with A or K.

I sometimes just flat preflop this deep and see what happens. If I'm 3betting, I'm probably going a lot smaller; a minraise should more-or-less accomplish the isolation plus it gives us a more playable SPR.

Our huge 3bet and the fact we've ended up 3ways has created an SPR 2.7 pot and we've flopped an overpair. Not the greatest flop as we could easily be behind certain hands (although possibly with redraw outs). For better or worse (and it might be completely fine since we've gotten in a huge % of our stack preflop), I think preflop has committed us on this flop. I'd probably PSB the flop to shove the turn. I don't like our small bet at all with this SPR (it would be much finer in a big non-committing SPR pot).

There's just no way chips shouldn't be in by the turn in this small an SPR if we're playing preflop like this, imo.

As played, I check back the river because the next worst hand that can call us is the Td and that seems unlikely for a tight player (although ??? at preflop coldcall?) with 3 better flushes possible.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Hate flop sizing and turn check.

Seems like he can have TdT and 8d8. Probably leads Ad or Kd a nonzero amount. Might even call with a set.

All aboard the train to value town IMO. I’d bet small here as a default since it’s easier to balance


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I couldn't help but pound away and gii ott w OP+Qd blocker. I mean, you're just about flipping against a SB death range of all 99+/AKdd and he's just gonna be wider than that - He might even fold some better hands to a turn shove. It's deepish, but it's a big pot now and there is no reason to check a street or leave a river to play.
AP to turn, you can't just ck bc you need to remove non-paired Ad/Kd hands that you left in betting 1/3 pot otf or at least force a calling mistake from those. Frankly, you also benefit from folding out non-dia QQ+ some of the time (that may have flatted pre). Not that he is folding always, but it's still a pretty tough stack off for that part of his range which takes this line a lot. He still has some worse calls too, but by the time the pot is 100bb+, you benefit quite a bit more from protection/folding out equity.

You guys are all bombing flop with an overpair when this board smashes SB cold calling range and +1's raise calling range? With the Qd we don't have to protect against that much. I guess we can get value from Ad and Kd but if we get jammed on OTF we hate life and basically have a pure flush draw..... Bombing this flop into 2 opponents is optimistic. If it checks to you on a brick turn we have a clear value bet.

The SPR is a lol 2.7. Heck, you could even argue for a open jam on this drawy a flop with an SPR this small, and if someone called off 11% of their stack preflop to outflop us, nice hand sir.

GOPplayedthehandlikeanSPR10pot,imoG

What? How does it smash their ranges?

Yes the SPR is small but this is a terrible board for us. We're obviously not folding but we want to get to showdown as cheaply as possible because if our Vs start shoveling money in OTF I doubt we're ahead.

Really? Medium pocket pairs up to JJ are 90% of SB cold calling range.

Again, I would completely agree with the idea of getting to showdown as cheaply as possible *if* the SPR was high (as the relatively small size of the pot wouldn't be worth the risk of the relatively large chips behind on this type of board). But here's the SPR is trivially small; the benefit of simply getting what relatively little remaining chips we have in ASAP to protect the relatively big pot is more important. I can think of far worse boards where we shouldn't be nearly as comfortable with this thought (A/K high for example).

ETA: And yes, having a tight SB take an EP 3bet cold to the face preflop isn't great on a lotta boards. But that shipped sailed preflop with our 3bet; if he outflopped us for 11% of us his stack (or was ahead all along) then I don't think there's going to be much we can do other than hand him our stack at this point.

GimoG

So, whenever you 3bet pre (or raise for that matter) and have an overpair to a middling board you check the flop and try to get to showdown as cheaply as possible?

Lol. No. I play like every other fish in LLSNL who doesn't think about what my opponent's range is /s. "Me have overpair. Me bet."

The situations you bring up are completely different. When someone cold calls a 3bet in LLNSL they usually have an extremely condensed range consisting of middling pairs, AQs (which in this hand we double block) and AK. In this hand, i'm less worried about the loose passive +1 and if it was just him I'd bet flop.

Bigger pre

Bigger otf or x, rly dont know why everyone is just copying bet sizes esp on boards horrible for your range

Turn should probably bet again but sizing is awk cuz of flop

River is a x, betting seems spew

Flop bet is with like 80%+ of my range here in position a 3! Pot that v kinda whiffs or connects

125 flop, shove turn imo

I’d hate to give SB a lay up c/shove

why are you assuming you are beat when the opposite is usually true? even if someone flopped a small flush you have outs. just get the money in by the turn your SPR is < 3 and you have an overpair.