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1/3 PAWHM JJ vs bluffy asian guy 1/3 PAWHM JJ vs bluffy asian guy

07-21-2019 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
What worse hands do we expect to call a flop raise here?
Draws, overpairs, TPGK, 7x/5x with backdoors, sets and two Pairs.
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07-21-2019 , 10:05 PM
I'd be real tempted to shove turn. At least in my experience, the semi-aware aggressive types are relative-position aware and prefer trapping some money in before getting aggro w hands better than JJ.
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07-22-2019 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
I'd be real tempted to shove turn. At least in my experience, the semi-aware aggressive types are relative-position aware and prefer trapping some money in before getting aggro w hands better than JJ.
I was thinking a flop shove but this is probably better. Calling turn pot commits H anyway. Overcards hitting the board could put H to a hard call to make. Can we really get away from being stacked when V has a set or 2 pair?
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07-22-2019 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by reaper6788
What worse hands do we expect to call a flop raise here?
A ton of hands, I doubt hearts or 7x fold. If we make it $100 they need 26% equity to call our raise. A hand like 78 has 21%, a hand like K8hh has 45%. If they want to fold that’s a good result. Our hand is going to be really tough to play multi-way across multiple streets. It’s the type of hand that while it’s strong, it’s vulnerable and rarely improves.

I like raise flop, call turn, call river.

Generally just treat small donk bets like check. I think we can exploit them as they tend to be weighted toward certain types of hands, but as a starting policy treat it as a check.
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07-22-2019 , 10:13 AM
Calling and raising (I would make it $125 planning to shove most turns) both seem like good options. If anyone besides V1 3bets I'm folding. No reason to think villain is folding A7, 87s, or 88-TT.
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07-22-2019 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by thetruewheel
Calling and raising (I would make it $125 planning to shove most turns) both seem like good options. If anyone besides V1 3bets I'm folding. No reason to think villain is folding A7, 87s, or 88-TT.
Posted this without reading the rest of thread. Now that we've called here and are facing V2's bet, I still think we need to call. V2 could have a flopped set that decided not to raise for whatever reason (unlikely but possible). More likely is a hand like AhTx, KT, QThh, JT, T9 or 98. Villain will call all of these hands with hh, and probably will float sometimes with two overs and a single heart. Given that they could be value betting with a worse hand, time to call.
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07-23-2019 , 09:31 AM
We need to call as played but I like the turn jam here
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07-23-2019 , 11:15 AM
Unlike some others, I'm much cooler with just flatting the flop donk. I think treating the small bet as a check is a useful idea, but more in HU spots or in spots where we're committed. With so many behind us still to act and not being committed against some of those stacks, I like our flat here to evaluate who does what.

Thanks to our flop play, we know that no one behind us had a monster to raise and the turn action has gotten us HU against the deep stack (where we should feel less committed having gotten in just lol ~2.5% of our stack preflop than perhaps if we ended up against a shorter stack). Never an awesome feeling facing a later street donk into multiple opponents, but I also call turn against an aggro player and evaluate river action.

All draws busted, it's possible this is a blocking bet with worse, and we're getting a good price on the river, so I don't mind a call even though we run into better a lot (including the A high flush draw who got there).

Thanks to preflop I think a lot of our postflop options suck, but if we called down from the flop then I think we did reasonably well given the situation we created.

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07-23-2019 , 09:23 PM
You turned your hand into a bluff catcher when you flatted flop and turn. River card sucks but not enough to fold getting 4.6:1.

Trivial call. You're beat more often than not, in which case you should write V2 a thank-you card for leaving you chips behind.
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