Reads: V1 is very loose pre flop and seems LAG post flop based on about 30 minutes of observation. V2 is a short stacker who is pretty loose post flop but probably a bit tighter pre than V1. I've been at the table for about 45 minutes with no big pots so far.

Is there any way I'm getting away from this?

V1 limps in EP, V2 limps to his direct left. I'm on V2's direct left and make it $15 with AQ. SB calls and each villain calls.

Pot is 60 with about 260 effective against V1, 70 effective against V2.

Flop: AK9. SB checks, V1 leads for 20, V2 shoves, I flat, SB folds, V1 flats.

AK99. Pot is 280 and now its about 190 effective against V1. V1 checks, hero shoves...

I might just check back the turn. All Ax hands are now aces up with a king kicker. There's nothing we're beating that will call. There's no better hand that he'll fold. Additional betting will all be in a side pot that is currently empty.

If we're committed to getting all our money in, I'd rather check the turn and give V a chance to bluff the river. If he's got A9 or something like that, maybe he'll cut us a deal and only bet $100 on the river.

play the live game and bet something dumb ott

somewhere between $50-75

I also would check back. Kx, TT-QQ will not call, FD maybe..

I check back. He's only calling with better. Also, it gives him a chance to bluff river, which you probably must call.

So very loose V1 starts hand with $260? If so, preflop is an easy raise to ~$25, imo. A $15 raise after two loose limpers has no chance at narrowing field (as can be seen), plus we get in 10% of our stack preflop where we can then stack off postflop with TP easily (especially HU).

The result (4ways, very low SPR), is just very difficult to play postflop, imo. We are basically put to a commitment decision on the flop, and yet 3 people could have hit their crap. Anyhoo, I would make up my mind right now on the flop whether to commit, and as played on this drawy board I'd probably just shove the flop (rather than waiting for a "safe" card before shoving, which it looks like we ended up doing).

ETA: I don't agree with everyone else's turn play once we get to the turn this way as their are easily enough draws worth protecting against (i.e. I would also shove the turn as OP did). Having only 2/3 PSB left and allowing V1 to get to the river for free on his draw (his most likely hand given flop play) seems horrible to me.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Bet what a King or FD would call. Shoving accomplishes zero.

ANL, on the turn we have a mere 2/3 PSB left. A shove is the only bet size, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

This is such a poor response that I feel obligated to say something.

First of all, Kx has exactly 2 outs to beat our hand: 4% or 22:1 dog.

Flush draw has 9 outs and approximately 20% equity or 4:1 dog.

If we are targeting a range with only these two hands and we have no indication of which hands villain has (not to mention that flush draw dominates Kx in combinations) nor his tendency to bluff river, anything we bet that would price in flush draw is essentially more damaging than keeping Kx in V's calling range.

Plus you have to keep in mind, Kx has already paid good money for his mistake by calling flop, anything we charge now would be icing on the cake but at the expense of making us vulnerable against flush draw.

Pot is $280 and effective is $170.

So if we bet $100, we are offering 380:100, meaning that villain is very close to breaking even to call. With $70 behind, I doubt hero is folding given 550:70 odds, thus V is actually getting 450:100 with implied odds, a +EV call.

Bottom line, there is only one bet to make if we think V has Kx or flush draw.

Why?

We don't lose anything by shoving, but we might fold out a chop.

Any indication that by checking turn, V will call river with hands that we beat?

If not, why give free card?

Given, but we're pretty committed once we saw turn.

But we do protect the pot against flush and hands that won't put in another dollar unless improved.

If flush doesn't come in, board texture would be horrible to bluff. V would have to be brain dead to attempt to bluff with busted straight or hands less than Ax, and given action and board texture, villain doesn't have much of those in his range.

So no, it is very unlikely that V is going to bluff river.

MUBS.

Results: V1 instantly folds. River is 3 of hearts. V2 had J8 and V1 slams the table when he sees my hand claiming to have A-X.