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01-08-2015 , 09:54 PM
V1: Asian dude, 30s/40s, plays around half his hands, raises pre a decent amount, I think he's stuck a bit, so may be tilting.

V2: Asian dude's gf/wife/property, sitting next to his right, also plays a lot of hands but rarely raises.

Me: Tighter than I probably appear, as I've been getting decent hands and winning. V1 folded to my allin on the turn earlier.

V1 has $340, V2 around $200, I cover both.

V2 limps from MP, V1 limps, someone else limps, folded to me in the SB with QQ, I make it 25, V1/V2 call.

Pot: $80

Flop: 9s 8d 3h

I cbet 60, V2 calls, V1 goes all-in for 315 more.
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01-08-2015 , 10:49 PM
how does V1 pay his draws? if he pushes his draw aggressively I call.
the board is pretty dry for him to be raising here without a set, maybe TT-JJ and wants to end it here.

against 33,88+, JT we have 47 equity (discounting all other OESD).
we need to call 315 to win 515, 1.6:1 / ~40.. so i think it's a call.

P.S. pardon my math if inaccurate.. im trying to learn this big time.
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01-08-2015 , 11:14 PM
He doesn't have 1010 or JJ so the only real hands we beat are J10 and 67, which are possible. You said he raises quite a but so pretty sure he would open with those hands as well as KK+. Sounds like a set or top two. If he's know to play his draws fast then we call if we don't have any history or unknown then to me it's a fold.
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01-09-2015 , 12:06 PM
I'd weight his aggressive draws closer to big combos like JhTh, which we're only about 50/50 against.

The big bet is fishy for sure, but I think there are more sets/two pairs in V's range than draws. Looks like a big hand afraid of a draw more than anything.
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01-09-2015 , 12:20 PM
if the guy raises a bunch, all the hands that smack this flop hard would have raised PF first in except for an offsuit 2 pair and maybe sometimes 3's. Stuck gamboool-er has too much weird crap in my head with information provided and I dont think he'd insta jam that much with a monster over your bet when clearly you dont have JTs and there's no flush draw.

This is a pretty clear call imo, im never thrilled in these spots but when i think about hands he has here given limited info im really not sure i have a fold button.
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01-09-2015 , 12:44 PM
How have V1 and V2 been playing against each other? Do they enjoy gambling against each other and taking each other's money or do they generally avoid each other?

If it's the latter then there is a good chance that V1 has a strong hand and is betting big to warn V2 that he has the goods. If it's the former then I'm more likely to call.
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01-09-2015 , 12:52 PM
The real crappy part is the V2 is squeezing you and is his wife. Is he raising to protect her hand or raising because she'll just pay him back his portion of the pot when she scoops?

Your math doesn't add up.

V1 has 315 more
Hero bet $60 on the flop
Hero bet $25 pre

Total: $400.

V1 starts with only $340.

It makes a difference because $255 more is $255 to win $515 (2 to 1 - need 33% equity). $315 more is $315 to win $575 (1.8 to 1 - need 36% equity).
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01-09-2015 , 01:09 PM
With an SPR of 5 versus tilty gambol Asians I GII no prob.

LOL @ "Asian dude's gf/wife/property"

Last edited by DeathCabForTootie; 01-09-2015 at 01:09 PM. Reason: quotation marks FTW
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01-09-2015 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pseudonym
How have V1 and V2 been playing against each other? Do they enjoy gambling against each other and taking each other's money or do they generally avoid each other?
They've been in several hands together, but I don't believe one had taken any big pots off the other. They had already been warned once about talking non-English during a hand together, if that matters at all.

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Originally Posted by paperboyNC

Your math doesn't add up.

V1 has 315 more
Hero bet $60 on the flop
Hero bet $25 pre

Total: $400.

V1 starts with only $340.

It makes a difference because $255 more is $255 to win $515 (2 to 1 - need 33% equity). $315 more is $315 to win $575 (1.8 to 1 - need 36% equity).
You're right, he started with 400, and I covered.

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Originally Posted by bombonanza
how does V1 pay his draws? if he pushes his draw aggressively I call.
I haven't seen enough of him to tell, but after simming it, that does seem to be what it comes down to. Obvious call with draws in his range, obvious fold otherwise.
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01-09-2015 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Guy Incognito
They've been in several hands together, but I don't believe one had taken any big pots off the other. They had already been warned once about talking non-English during a hand together, if that matters at all.



You're right, he started with 400, and I covered.



I haven't seen enough of him to tell, but after simming it, that does seem to be what it comes down to. Obvious call with draws in his range, obvious fold otherwise.
There's not much I hate at a poker table than close friends or family sitting next to each other. This BS squeeze play against eachother happens so damn much, I swear it's planned and looks a lot like cheating.

For those reasons and the fact that you say he might be tilting, I would call and expect to see A9 and TJ a lot. Maybe TT or JJ. I would expect a set and top 2 to flat or make a more standard raise instead of a shove. They wouldn't want you to fold an overpair on this dry board.

Call me crazy but I think we're ahead here.

And regardless, I'm leaving this table with a foreign speaking couple sitting side by side. And if he was trying a bs squeeze, I may beat his old ass in the parking lot.
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01-09-2015 , 08:32 PM
I doubt they're cheating. Anyone who plays 50% of their starting hands doesn't care about the money they've got on the table all that much.

Based on V1 description and SPR, I'd probably call. I'd really like to have a better read before I stick my stack in like that though. Has V gone all-in before and what has he shown up with? Is he the kind of guy who thinks A9 is the nuts here?

I would expect to see 98 for two pair more than anything else, but a typical tilty guy who's playing 50% of his hands is stacking off with less than two pair enough to make this a call.
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