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03-24-2015 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmikee
Then think abt it and why dont u use it urself. If m the villain here, only hand i m calling the river is AQ for showdown value. Any Qx i m either folding or raising to 200. Would our hero call 120 more ? I doubt it.
Seriously i don't know what the live games are like where some of the posters in this thread live but i've seen JJ call river shoves on boards like this for like 500bigs (well, the remainder of what was a 500 bb stack). Stuff like that happens regularly where i play.

Any Q is calling down. That range is bigger than the range that we're losing to and therefore it's more profitable to bet a little bigger on each street.
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03-24-2015 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by vidar
Seriously i don't know what the live games are like where some of the posters in this thread live but i've seen JJ call river shoves on boards like this for like 500bigs (well, the remainder of what was a 500 bb stack). Stuff like that happens regularly where i play.

Any Q is calling down. That range is bigger than the range that we're losing to and therefore it's more profitable to bet a little bigger on each street.
absolutely games here are the same and theyre the same almost everywhere from what i can deduce reading this forum
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03-24-2015 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by vidar
PS i didn't say pot every street, i said -closer- to pot, meaning closer to pot than hero did in this hand. 3/4's usually.
If that's the case, I don't have a problem with that line as 3/4 PSBs on flop/turn leave us with $344 stack in $217 pot (where we have enough room to safely bet/fold to a passive stationary villain).

ETA: However, on the other hand, three 3/4 PSBs will get us to put in $255 postflop, which is 17x the preflop raise (again, giving the villain pretty awesome implied odds). I really think smaller bets are in order here, especially on this board (dry as hell), especially with "small hand, small pot" in mind. And if Villain can ever get away from a weak Q here, definitely smaller bets. And most Villains can also easily get away from JJ (or another weak pair where they are drawing to 2-5 outs) here given 3 postflop bets, and yet will definitely pay off 2 (or perhaps 3 smaller ones). It's not as totally clear cut as you make it, imo. Do we miss value from AQ? Yes. But AQ isn't the only hand in his range.

GwhereasPSBsdon'tleaveusanyroomontheriverG
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03-24-2015 , 04:00 PM
U guys probably come from midwest or vegas. In coasts it is not that easy. Some regs even say they make more at 1/2 than 2/5. So its quite common to see 2/5 regs at 1/2.
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03-24-2015 , 04:02 PM
@vider, @alexander, where u guys play ?
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03-24-2015 , 04:05 PM
niagara falls, but still the point is you would know that these guys are capable regs, right

cuz capable regs stick out at these games
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03-24-2015 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ironmikee
U guys probably come from midwest or vegas. In coasts it is not that easy. Some regs even say they make more at 1/2 than 2/5. So its quite common to see 2/5 regs at 1/2.
From what I've heard, Vegas games are tougher than any other LLSNL games out there.

FWIW, I'm on the east coast.
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03-24-2015 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
If that's the case, I don't have a problem with that line as 3/4 PSBs on flop/turn leave us with $344 stack in $217 pot (where we have enough room to safely bet/fold to a passive stationary villain).

ETA: However, on the other hand, three 3/4 PSBs will get us to put in $255 postflop, which is 17x the preflop raise (again, giving the villain pretty awesome implied odds). I really think smaller bets are in order here, especially on this board (dry as hell), especially with "small hand, small pot" in mind. And if Villain can ever get away from a weak Q here, definitely smaller bets. And most Villains can also easily get away from JJ (or another weak pair where they are drawing to 2-5 outs) here given 3 postflop bets, and yet will definitely pay off 2 (or perhaps 3 smaller ones). It's not as totally clear cut as you make it, imo. Do we miss value from AQ? Yes. But AQ isn't the only hand in his range.

GwhereasPSBsdon'tleaveusanyroomontheriverG
This post basically sums up my thoughts on the hand. I may have been a tad too small on the river, but I can't see 120+ being the correct sizing. AQ would probably call it, maybe KQ but we block that. Absent more developed reads, we cannot assume anything less in his range is calling that high.
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03-24-2015 , 04:45 PM
theres VERY good regs that are way more advanced than me at my 1.2 games too lol
theres like 8 of them, it took me 3.14159 seconds to identify them...
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03-24-2015 , 04:53 PM
@gobbledgeek, where in eastcoast ? Foxwoods or AC. ? How is game there ?
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03-24-2015 , 04:57 PM
At where i play its easier to play against regs than some aggro college kids. They have other leaks to be exploited but they always put you in difficult spots. May be they come from online background.
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03-24-2015 , 05:29 PM
Note: It would of been nice if you would have indicated the pot size in your post so reader's could quickly evaluate your line.
PF: OK
F ($36): Heads Up. SPR is 12. You bet 61%P ($22). The board is pretty dry so about a half pot bet is fine.
T ($80): Heads Up. V has $412 left. You bet 56%P ($45). Board is still pretty dry, so a half pot bet is fine. Really targeting his AQ, KQ, QJ, QT hands.
R ($170): Heads Up. V has $367 left. You bet 35%P ($60). I think that's too low. This guy is going to call a half pot bet again if he's got AQ, KQ, QJ, and maybe QT. I think $85 to $95 would be a good size.
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03-24-2015 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND
This post basically sums up my thoughts on the hand. I may have been a tad too small on the river, but I can't see 120+ being the correct sizing. AQ would probably call it, maybe KQ but we block that. Absent more developed reads, we cannot assume anything less in his range is calling that high.
Overall, I think your line was fine, although I do think your river bet was too small. My 3/4 PSB on the river might be on the biggish side. Something averaging inbetween (which a lot are recommending) is probably a nice compromise.

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