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1/3 NL - Should I fold TPTK? 1/3 NL - Should I fold TPTK?

08-08-2022 , 03:53 PM
1/3 nlh - 7 handed, about $600 effective. The villain covers me.

I just sat down about an hour ago. I had decent hands to raise pre flop (AKo, AQ, QQ), so I have an aggressive image. The villain seems to be a LAG player. He is waiting to play PLO and giving lot of actions.

There is a button straddle for $10, so the action starts from small blind. SB folds, the villain (BB) limps for $10. It folds to me on utg+1. Hero raises to $40 with AQo and everybody folds and the villain calls. The villain seems to be annoyed by Hero and says "why do you keep raising people?"

Flop (~$90) - A,K,5. suits doesn't matter. Villain checks, hero bets $40 and the villain calls.

Turn (~$170) - another King.
Villain checks. Hero bets $75. Then the villain says " do you have Ace King? I need to find out" and re-raise to $200.

Hero?
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08-08-2022 , 04:10 PM
Your play preflop and on the flop are good. This is a flop you should bet small with your entire range.

The Turn though….you should NEVER be betting *small* again. This turn card massively favors the Villain. Therefore, you should be betting it very *rarely* but also, when you DO bet it, you want to be betting HUGE—even over-betting on occasion. The only value hands you should be betting (and, again, betting BIG) on this Turn card are AA, KQ, and 55 (and then mixing in a handful of your QJ/QT/JT Broadway combos for bluffs to stay balanced). You want to put him in a really tough spot with Kx or a big Ace.

As played, you made a big mistake on the Turn (you should just check your medium strength hands like AQ) and he pounced on it. Cut your losses now and fold.
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08-08-2022 , 04:21 PM
Turn is the easiest x back ever. As played fold unless you are willing to call an all in river jam to see if hes got it. PLO players are very good at firing when the board changes but this doesn't make me any more comfortable calling off my entire stack in this spot you created.
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08-08-2022 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AgroFish
everybody folds and the villain calls. The villain seems to be annoyed by Hero and says "why do you keep raising people?"
Did he say this right after you raised? It could be a tell if he did.

I would fold as played esp with a 2nd speech play just fold ainec
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08-08-2022 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by AgroFish
1/3 nlh - 7 handed, about $600 effective. The villain covers me.

I just sat down about an hour ago. I had decent hands to raise pre flop (AKo, AQ, QQ), so I have an aggressive image. The villain seems to be a LAG player. He is waiting to play PLO and giving lot of actions.

There is a button straddle for $10, so the action starts from small blind. SB folds, the villain (BB) limps for $10. It folds to me on utg+1. Hero raises to $40 with AQo and everybody folds and the villain calls. The villain seems to be annoyed by Hero and says "why do you keep raising people?"

Flop (~$90) - A,K,5. suits doesn't matter. Villain checks, hero bets $40 and the villain calls.

Turn (~$170) - another King.
Villain checks. Hero bets $75. Then the villain says " do you have Ace King? I need to find out" and re-raise to $200.

Hero?
Check turn. Either WA/WB. Give him a chance to bluff the river and get to showdown with a 1 pair hand.

The speech typically is a signal of strength, but I've seen some bad, bad players who could mix up their table talk well enough to confuse (especially the laggy gambling types). I'd ignore the talk and fold unless you're dialed into his verbal tells. What makes you say the villain "seems to be a LAG"?
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08-09-2022 , 11:50 AM
I fold the turn very quickly AP (speeches are usually very strong hands).

But I would prefer to just check the turn initially, but if you are betting you should have a plan on what to do if you’re raised. If it were me I would likely be bet/folding and not feeling bad about it.
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08-09-2022 , 12:57 PM
I just limp in but that's me.

Kinda awkward preflop result. The good news is that we're HU and in position with initiative. The bad news is that the SPR is a small one that could tie us to the pot fairly quickly, and yet we gave our opponent fairly decent 20:1 preflop.

So on the flop with TP and an SPR of ~6, we have to ask ourselves right away whether we are planning on playing for stacks or not. I think in this configuration I'm not cool with playing for stacks. So I'd lean to checking back the flop and eke out value on later streets (by betting with a now weak looking hand or bluff/overvalue catching).

As played I'm checking back the turn. Kx could have easily gotten there, he could have had us crushed all along, and meanwhile a check/raise puts us in a very dicey spot (unless we planned on being happily committed against this guy). I guess a few Ax hands might stack off against us now that their kicker possibly may become less of an issue by the river, but meh.

I didn't consider myself committed postflop, so I now fold to the raise. I'm not one for tells, but typically the speech is pretty strong.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-12-2022 , 12:19 AM
id probably check the turn as your flop downbet (fine on this board imo) makes it such that Kx is a decent chunk of villians range.

if i bet the flop bigger than his range is mostly weaker Ax so then id bet the turn too.
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08-12-2022 , 09:42 PM
Thank you for your replies. I agree with most of you. The right play was to fold the turn when check raised.

Result -

I just jammed the turn. Calling was not an option. I thought I should either fold or jam and decided go with it. Villain called. Luckily the river was another Ace, so I won the pot. Villain showed K4o. I really got lucky, but I was not happy with my play.

I should learn to fold to improve my game.
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