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1/3 NL pre-flop 3-bet with AKs and get jammed on 1/3 NL pre-flop 3-bet with AKs and get jammed on

09-21-2021 , 09:07 PM
Hero has AdKd in SB, stack around $800. Villain fairly tight new player in late position, stack around $600, opens to $10.

Hero 3-bets to $40.

Villain jams for $600 total.

Weird play, seems uncomfortable and hoping for a fold.

Does Hero call and risk being dominated/hope to be flipping against AK or QQ-?
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09-21-2021 , 09:44 PM
This is AA like always in my experience
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09-21-2021 , 10:03 PM
Do we ever see AQ here? Probably not. So you are looking to call 560 to win 1200 when we have between 10% and 46% equity. Even if he shows QQ do we really want to make this call (560 to call for 552 equity)?
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09-21-2021 , 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
This is AA like always in my experience
Plot twist: I was the Villain, and I indeed had AA.

I'm curious what other people think my opponent (the Hero) might have been thinking when he called my ridiculous over-bet jam.
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09-21-2021 , 10:11 PM
No I don’t think AQ ever shows up here.
Equity of AKs vs {AK,QQ+} is 41:59.
You need to call 560 into an eventual pot of 1200, so you need at least 560/1200~46% equity to call. So it’s a fold.
I actually doubt that Villain ever has AK here. This looks more like KK+ from a player who is scared money. Maybe KK is more likely than AA, not sure.
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09-21-2021 , 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceDeuceSuited
Plot twist: I was the Villain, and I indeed had AA.

I'm curious what other people think my opponent (the Hero) might have been thinking when he called my ridiculous over-bet jam.
I was speaking from personal experience. I made the same play the first day I ever played 5/5 (3k buy in), after years grinding at 1/3 ($600 buy in). I jammed 3k over a $200 3bet, and the rest of the table called out my hand lol.
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09-22-2021 , 01:45 AM
Easy fold at stack depth
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09-22-2021 , 03:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceDeuceSuited
Plot twist: I was the Villain, and I indeed had AA.

I'm curious what other people think my opponent (the Hero) might have been thinking when he called my ridiculous over-bet jam.
Reverse HHs are irritating, just ask instead.

It worked because he figured you had to be bluffing because you raised too much and he wouldn't play AA like that.
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09-22-2021 , 08:34 AM
Is someone really jamming worse than AK to pick up $50 by risking $600?

I think it's easy to put villain on a range of QQ+/AK and just run the math.
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09-22-2021 , 11:25 AM
OOP, I would be fine with just flatting preflop. I really don't want to get reraised, I'm not totally pumped at building a huge pot OOP, there's no other dead money to go after, and there's only a single other player who we might want to deny equity from (the BB, who might not even call anyways, and being that our hand plays fine multiway we're kinda ok with whatever he does). So I would lean to underrepping and playing some postflop poker, but I'm fairly certain I'll be way outvoted on that.

Pretty trivial fold to the jam, imo. No one (let alone a fairly tight player) plays a dominated Ax this way so we're never getting it in awesome. So we're flipping at best with very little dead money, and once and a while we're crushed.

ETA: FYI, reverse HHs are frowned upon here. I have done similar loloverbets against very specific villains (one that comes to mind is target goes $10, a call, and I limp/shove for $400 with QQ, get snap called by target, and hold on a AKxxx board). But would really have to be against a special player. I would like it more if there was a lot more dead money in the middle / players involved and it looks like we're making a move against the world and want everyone to fold.

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 09-22-2021 at 11:31 AM.
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09-22-2021 , 11:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChaosInEquilibrium
I was speaking from personal experience. I made the same play the first day I ever played 5/5 (3k buy in), after years grinding at 1/3 ($600 buy in). I jammed 3k over a $200 3bet, and the rest of the table called out my hand lol.
Hopefully they didn't call it out before the 3 better folded!
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09-22-2021 , 01:15 PM
Reverse HHs are like pretending to be the parent of the toddler who pooped their pants, and then going: "ha-ha, it was me who pooped into the pants all along!".

Just don't do it. Especially for a horribly played hand of aces.
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09-22-2021 , 08:55 PM
Sorry folks, as you can tell by number of posts, I'm not familiar with the etiquette here.

I'll ask straightforwardly about unusual opponent play in the future.
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09-23-2021 , 01:55 AM
From the forum rules: Driving Guide to LNLHE (Rules and Tips on Posting)

Complaining about How Bad the Villain Was: This can either be in the form of a "reverse" HH where you are actually the villain and you're trying to show how bad your opponent is, or a "How can he call my bluff" thread. The idea is to play poker against players worse than you. Expect them to make bad plays.

Further, even if you just do a reverse HH "to understand what V was thinking," and not as a hidden complaint, it will completely confuse/anger people. Posters (OP and other) often get confused about who is Hero and who Villain in these hands, and, of course, the given reads are all highly prejudiced. Just don't do it.
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09-23-2021 , 03:16 AM
Standard fold, too deep to stack 200bb vs very strong range.

Terrible line with aa.
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09-23-2021 , 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayKon
From the forum rules: Driving Guide to LNLHE (Rules and Tips on Posting)

Complaining about How Bad the Villain Was: This can either be in the form of a "reverse" HH where you are actually the villain and you're trying to show how bad your opponent is, or a "How can he call my bluff" thread. The idea is to play poker against players worse than you. Expect them to make bad plays.

Further, even if you just do a reverse HH "to understand what V was thinking," and not as a hidden complaint, it will completely confuse/anger people. Posters (OP and other) often get confused about who is Hero and who Villain in these hands, and, of course, the given reads are all highly prejudiced. Just don't do it.
Hadn't seen the rules/tips, thank you.

Yes, the second scenario is pretty much exactly what I was going for. Apologies for the faux pas (and the badly overbet aces -- though I got lucky the other guy also had a monster that happened to be dominated).
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