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1/3 NL pocket Aces 4bet sizing multiway 1/3 NL pocket Aces 4bet sizing multiway

06-24-2022 , 06:09 PM
1/3 nl live game. there are 3 villains with various stack sizes. Hero has AA on the button with $800 stack.

Villain 1 ($1200 stack) utg opens with $15.

Villain 2 ($240 stack) hj calls.

Villain 3 ($45 stack) cutoff jams for $45.

Hero ($800 stack) on the button has AA. Suits does not matter. I am definitely raising here but what sizing should I use? If I 4bets to $120 or greater then most likely villain1 and villain 2 would fold. Should I raise minimum so villain 1 and/or villain 2 would tag along?

thank you in advance.
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06-24-2022 , 07:58 PM
Whatever you raise looks ridiculously strong because you’re calling an all-in and add a bet into a dry side pot.
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06-24-2022 , 08:06 PM
You say the UTG original raiser will fold to 120 but you don't give any reads on him. His range could be TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AQs, AK, a lot of that if not all would call. If he's not calling 120 then he's probably not calling 90 either. His range should be strong (maybe he even jams over the top of you who knows).

Raising in these spots will also look like you're just tryna isolate the short stack who's all in so you might even get someone to call lighter anyway. It would suck if you clicked it back and everyone called and you lose a big portion of your stack to a hand like K5s.
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06-24-2022 , 08:28 PM
If I use a min raise as a play, it’s to get villains to spazz out in spots where they shouldn’t. In a spot where I’m crushing everyone pre- they get to pay to see a flop. $120 IP.
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06-25-2022 , 12:35 AM
I’m cool with a min click or a small raise. Like 90.
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06-25-2022 , 01:56 AM
Raising into a dry side pot is a very strong move, so make it small. $90-100 is fine.
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06-25-2022 , 03:19 AM
Bet small enough so that if V2 jams over you it reopens the betting. And then you can 6bet V1, something you don’t see often in a $1/3 or any game.
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06-27-2022 , 11:00 AM
Results: I min-raise to $90. V1 tanked and called, V2 jams all in which opened the betting. I hollywood a bit and jams. Any merit to calling here to bring V1 along? I thought about it but decided to jam because I would jam here with non paired value hands.

V1 tanked for awhile and folded. he showed his hands to his neighbor and said he had 77.

the flop came in 10, 7, 7. and blank turn and blank river.

V2 showed A 10 and V2 had A Q

I scooped the pot. I would have lost my stack if V1 was in the hand. V1 berated V2 for jamming with a calling hand at best.
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06-27-2022 , 11:21 AM
I don't like the min-raise unless you are a very active Player and the other Players 'know' that you are just increasing the action by opening a side pot. That said I would just go with $110 so that you can still raise if V2 shoves. That will help you better define V1's holding a bit more if they are 'aware' of the stacks and just flat your 4-bet, getting rid of all the trash.

Agree it's time to shove the 2nd time around, 6-bet now! .. Don't want V1 to get 5 to 1or better on a call with only a pot sized bet behind as you will just have to call off anyway .. GII.

Maybe a little early for the results .. or maybe use the 'spoiler' function to hide the results. GL
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06-27-2022 , 02:11 PM
Correction: V3 showed AQo.
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06-27-2022 , 04:35 PM
Completely villain dependent. I played a couple times this week and actually table changed to a guy I knew exactly how he plays. Cant give up top pair top kicker no matter the board.

300 max 1/3. I had around $1100 and he had $400. I raise to $12 in the CO. He makes it $30 from the BB. Normally im going to $80 to $100. But I decide this guy is used to that and i want a size he cant fold to a jam on the flop. I figure he wont fold ak or jj - kk for up to 6x and might not eben think about it. I want to make it look like i dont want a call. Make it $162. He instajams QQ for the rest of his stack. Maybe it didnt matter? Maybe it did. OMC im going to $80 or flatting.

And then there are players that see larger 3bs vs players as the same tendency you would aize on 4bs. So i size up also on tables vs loose players who have seen me 3b a lot. Which is usually
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06-27-2022 , 06:06 PM
I would have simply made it ~$120 which is what I'd do with QQ+/AK. The difference between V1 and V2 stacks makes this awkward because we should be gunning for V1 making this hand $800 effective but this value raise leads to silly spots if V2 flats. Conversely a raise to $240 is likely to push V1 out, alternatively using that sizing with QQ or AK is effectively a bluff. So I stick to my standard sizing in this spot. I can see the argument to min-click but I want my opponents to pay as much as possible when they are behind.
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