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07-16-2012 , 01:06 AM

SnapCall

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 532

OK. So this is literally the 2nd hand of the cash game. I show up occasionally to this specific game, but the villain in the hand is definitely a reg, and not a losing one. I dont have any history with him, I may have played with him once before? Remember pls, this is the SECOND HAND OF THE CASH GAME

Villain- $500
Hero- $300

PRE FLOP

Villain UTG+1 Raises to $12, Hero C/O Calls $12 A

FLOP J

Villain bets $25, Hero Raises to $62 , Villain Re-Raises to $145

Hero ????

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07-16-2012 , 01:10 AM

GAYEST_MAN

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yeti theorem

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07-16-2012 , 01:13 AM

TrubyKGB

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Raise more and shove after he 3 bets you

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07-16-2012 , 01:14 AM

THEOSU

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fold pre

folding seems ridiculous as people go crazy on paired boards and we have three of one kind, which it's hard to get. shoving is pure spew, as it allows him to fold all his bluffs. that kind of leaves one option.

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07-16-2012 , 02:26 AM

VincentVega

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what did you expect to accomplish by raising the flop? Seems like a fold to me now. I'd usually call the flop tho.

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07-16-2012 , 02:29 AM

needsumthin

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i think more info on reg tendencies is needed...you say he is a winning player, but a TAG or LAG winner? I think this effects my reasoning...TAG i guess i could think I'm in a cooler spot and up against AJs-AKo or maybe, just maybe even A10s and also JJ potentially...now if he's a bit LAGier I think I could put him on suited gappers w/A or maybe KK or QQ (but not very likely i think)...

with that being said...fold pre, why get put into a difficult spot with a player it seems as you have respect for their game?

Last edited by needsumthin; 07-16-2012 at 02:31 AM. Reason: forgot about JJ

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07-16-2012 , 02:55 AM

sick layup

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 87

yes. fold pre. the best you can hope for is trip 8's or flopped flush.

he prob had ak,aq or maybe even jj.

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07-16-2012 , 03:37 AM

TrubyKGB

The Situation

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I agree we need a better description of villain.We also need a description of how villain perceives you!

Just calling the raise preflop you could really have a ton of hands but hes probly thinking if you have AQ+ even JJ he can expect a 3 bet(im not sure of any of this because i have no idea of any history between the 2 of you).I think our hand is disguised alot here,we could easily have KJ QJ etc.Plus we have the blocker to the ace so its unlikely he has trips as well.

This is probably a leak and something i need to work on but I just cant seem to find a fold here unless villain is a super tight player.If were beat here its just a standard cooler,right?

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07-16-2012 , 03:46 AM

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

my what a sticky spot you have found yourself in. folding seems incredibly nitty, but it also seems extremely right from my sofa.

he raised UTG+1 ... you have no history with him, so you have no idea how he plays Ace rag. You have to decide now if you are playing for all your chips.

fold.

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07-16-2012 , 03:50 AM

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SnapCall

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No history whatsoever with him. and its the 2nd hand of the cash game. We have NO image of each other. Although as the cash game went on, i only saw him getting involved in a few random pots and folding pre to all the others.

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07-16-2012 , 04:04 AM

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eldiesel

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What's villain raising for with JJ or better kicker? If he has one of those, Hero is doing villain's work for him. I think he shows up with A-worse kicker a little more often than A-better kicker. Folding is bad/tight, shoving is a spew, I call and re-eval turn.

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07-16-2012 , 04:07 AM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

are you then folding with half your stack in there? i have to decide now if i'm going with this hand or not. 20 percent of my stack is a lot easier to lose than 50 percent.

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07-16-2012 , 04:07 AM

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TrubyKGB

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

If we call are we ever folding the turn or are we just hoping he puts us all in and we insta call?

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07-16-2012 , 04:13 AM

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eldiesel

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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb

are you then folding with half your stack in there? i have to decide now if i'm going with this hand or not. 20 percent of my stack is a lot easier to lose than 50 percent.

I'm never folding, but I think villain has air/pp/is ******ed more often than ppl think. If villain leads turn get ai, but if he shuts down I might give him a river card to hit his Js full or if turn is an 8 check to river and give him a chance to hit his mid-pp-boat or broadway. It's a re-eval but to consider ai/checking, folding's not an option.

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07-16-2012 , 04:18 AM

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TrubyKGB

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

I never considered folding.

Wasnt really thinking call either but now i see why it would probably be better than a shove,thanks

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07-16-2012 , 08:13 AM

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AnimalWarrior

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 481

The hand is a 3b/fold PF. Keep the game simple, don't do anything fancy without information on your opponent, isn't that what the game of poker is about? Your guess is as good as ours as to what to do if we don't know the villains tendencies, and he's also trying to figure out whether you're raising this flop for "value" or to see if you're like those guys who just "raise for info to see if my QJ is any good."

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07-16-2012 , 12:38 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Pretty easy fold preflop, methinks. If a bunch of people called the raise before us then we could play multiway for two pair / trips / nut flush draw. But what will likely be HU with a dominated hand, meh.

I have no idea why we raised the flop. There's no draws (other than a gutshot), so we're WA/WB. The only questions is whether we can/should call off three barrels with what is basically a bluffcatcher. As played, once we're re-raised I think it's a pretty easy fold.

GcluelessNLnoobG

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07-16-2012 , 12:56 PM

#18

playertee

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 4,999

why r u raising and what does he call with that u beat? What is his UTG range that 3bets this flop? Ask yourself what calls ur raise before u raise
yeah and fold pre

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07-16-2012 , 02:01 PM

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quesuerte

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,333

Fold pre flat flop.

I think pre is a pretty good example of a hand that can be +EV in a tonne of spots with reads but is unlikely to be without.

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