Villain (BTN, $400) seems like a mediocre player in the sense that he does some stuff that is reasonable (have seen him fold TP to decent action but then will limp/call random offsuit Ax in MP. Doesn't play overly aggressive postflop although did see him 3 barrel AA on Kxxxx board for value fairly large (see a decent amount of the player pool check that back otr)

UTG ($250) is fairly fishy, playing lots of hands and has gotten to the river a couple times and mucked his cards when he called so haven't seen him show down but probably stationy.

OTTH :

Hero is MP with KK ($500).

Preflop: UTG limps, Hero makes it $15. Villain calls, blinds fold and limper calls.

Flop ($45) : TT7

UTG checks, Hero bets $25, BTN calls, UTG folds.

Turn ($90): 8

Hero checks, BTN bets $45, Hero calls.

River ($180): 3

Hero checks, BTN checks.

Looking back, I would've sized my flop bet a bit larger to $35. I c/c turn because I have a decent amount of equity against his range even if it's mostly hands that beat mine. I feel like my hand is pretty face up on the turn but not sure there's any other way to play it here... River I check mainly because I c/c the turn and I don't really have the c/c turn, donk river line in my game but wondering if thats something that you would consider here?

Thanks!

Perfect. Take note that villain is betting half pot on turn where he should be polarized.

Checking flop is a fine alternative. It will tend to be a little trickier to play, but is good to have so your checks aren't always weak/giving up. Some villains will also play pretty straightforward/tight vs our lead, but will pick up aggression when yielded to, which is good for us here.

edit: if you think your hand is too faceup on turn its cause you are only check/calling with hands that don't want any more pressure. Check your good hands here as well when the board gets worse for you range. You and almost everyone in these games will bet too often when you have it here. Which is generally ok vs a population of mostly weaker calling player types.

Less otf. Bet the turn and river.

I'm betting flop bigger but basically playing it the same way till river. 2nd nut flush definitely calls for a bet. If you get raised it's always the Ac but you can get called Q J and maybe 9. Who knows, any club might call. Either way, I bet for value and confidently b/f.

Agree with Neb^^^. I like the way played, lil biger FB, and def, value betting that river.

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Bet turn. Your hand won't be face-up as you should be betting tons of hands here like AA, QQ, JJ, 99, 88, 77, AcX, AT, QJ, T9, T8, 98, 76, 86 (assuming these are in your MP raising range). Checking does make you look capped at overpair.

Bet river for value. You have second nut flush. There are only 7 likely boats/quad combos out there. Villain could have Ac but not that likely. There's 7 combos AXcc and add in AcKx - AcTx you get 10 more. If he's unlikely to float flop bet with overcards + BDFD you're likely up against at most ~20 combos you can expect to get raised and be behind. Villain probably flats other AT / Tx combos and smaller flushes.

@Amanaplan - Why bet less OTF? Not saying you're wrong and IME you're probably right, but I'm curious what's your reasoning?

I tend not to explain my strat too well on here, but I personally have a pretty wide value range here, remain OOP to a sensible player and IP on a spot, so I want to bet more often but for less to keep calling ranges wide. Yet still, there are a lot of turn cards where equities shift in a hurry, so I don't mind keeping control of the pot size early as an ancillary benefit.

It would be reasonable to fold turn, there isnt a ton you beat here, but obviously youve got outs and a weak made hand that will win sometimes. I mean, what is he bluffing with? 89? a 7? random PP? he basically has to have a pair ott, and Vs dont turn made hands into bluffs that often. So youre looking at 2 outs to near nuts, 7 or 9 to a flush that may be drawing dead.

OTR you should B/F about $90. If you check and he bets you prolky gotta crying call anyway, so might as well charge the lower flushes a bit of money.

So if we shade the bet on the small size we get more calls from overcards, BDFDs, gutshots, 7x, and weak pocket pairs, whereas a large bet might fold out anything but overpairs, Ts, 99, 88, 77, and strong draws like AQ and 98. Is that about right?

I liked the way u played ur hand. I would bet turn though. V either has Aof club or not. If he does not have a club you should bet. A 4th club on river may freeze action. If he has Ace of club u must bet as he is still underdog to hit flush. And if a club does fall on river then check/call reasonable bet size.


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Preflop we have a lotta choices (raise more to isolate station and setup more trivial stack off postflop, or limp to reraise, etc.), but in the end we narrowed this to 3ways to not a horrible result.

I also probably bet the flop mostly targetting station. I actually like our smallish sizing; we're not looking to build a big pot on this board with our hand, and one of the ways we do that is by betting smaller (not bigger). I hate that Button called us.

Turn is tough. I'm also checking but I'm not sure I'm in love with the call. Tx beats us. Flush beats us. Some weirdo straights. 77. We cbet 3ways with a station in the hand, is he really just betting a small pair thinking it's good against AK? And yeah we're getting 3:1 to chase our second nut flush draw, but we may have poor RIO / drawing dead already, and should have low IO (he's going to pay off 4-to-a-flush with worse)? Getting this price, and checking to induce bets from smaller pocket pairs who now think they are best and are protecting their hand, I can't hate too much on the call, but I'm not convinced it's best given this runout.

I'd probably lean towards a small donk/fold on the river (say $70 into $180). He has Tx and smaller flushes in his range that *might* pay off a small bet.

ETA: For those betting the turn, what's the reasoning? At this point, we're either crushed or crushing, so I have zero clue why we should be doing the betting, no?

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I'm not going to speak for Aman, but imo our flop betsizing, so long as it is "reasonable" (i.e. not lol overly small nor lol overly large), makes literally 0% difference to what calls us (that's always been my believe, although others will disagree). So we simply bet the size we want to have the pot at. Our hand isn't a monster on this board, so we don't want to build a big pot, therefore we bet small to keep the pot smaller.

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That's fair but given how the flop action played out, where the target folds and BTN calls, what are we betting against for value here on the turn? I agree with GG that unless I bet really small, I don't see BTN coming along with AcX all that often as a complete float with the limper still left to act behind.

Essentially yes. I'd like to keep my value betting range as far ahead of things as possible heading to the turn in addition to managing the pot size, looking to get to showdown (KKc remains 1 pair a lot of the time which doesn't bode well for showdown in big pots on a lot of runouts), and leaving in more bet-bets on more turns.

Checking is fine, I just choose to often include KKc as a bet along with Tx, NF, 77, TT and AAc a little more often because I aimed to keep things a bit wider on a prior street. Stacks are deeper, so you can bet small for value and still consider defending against a raise with this hand.