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03-03-2013 , 11:27 PM

Rhotang

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 191

Villain, older male,dressed in nice suit, been living in Vegas for 40 years.

Hero. Young and probably seems overly aggressive.

Hero BB with AQ offsuit

few limps around the table BTN(villain) limps.

Hero raises to 18$. Folds to BTN who calls.

Flop is A56, rainbow.

Hero Checks, BTN bets 45$.

Reads on villain: None, other than the fact that he was staring at the young hero.

"Hero" folds, and shows the AQ, Villain says "that was a terrible fold".

What could villain REALLY have??

Good fold or bad fold from "hero"????

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03-03-2013 , 11:32 PM

wj94

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 8,002

Stack sizes? Weird overbet if he has anything other than 56

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03-03-2013 , 11:33 PM

shadowdodger

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 985

Is the Hero you?
If it is, please don't fold here.
Also, please lead the flop for something along the lines of $25-$30.

And yes, it's a terrible fold.
What are you afraid of?

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03-03-2013 , 11:36 PM

gramps1128

The Situation

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 94

you think he has a set?

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03-04-2013 , 01:33 AM

spikeraw22

The Situation

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 8,741

haha what the hell? why raise if you're going to check/fold top pair. This makesabsolutely no sense.

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03-04-2013 , 01:37 AM

sexdotcom

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,867

Villain should have said "good fold" and then give a smirk.

Last edited by sexdotcom; 03-04-2013 at 01:54 AM.

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03-04-2013 , 01:39 AM

lawlukeround

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 31

Kinda sounds to me like you might be scared money. You raise to $18 and hit tpgk and then you decide to check fold?! Lol...what flop were you hoping for aaq? You have to cbet this flop and if he raises you then re-evaluate based off of sizing and reads. As played I think it's a bad fold and I would NEVER fold this hand face up, good luck getting action after that.

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03-04-2013 , 02:25 AM

ozmosis313

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,010

is this hand for real? I don't understand. Can you explain your process for checking flop in first place?

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03-04-2013 , 02:33 AM

madlondoner

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,515

More preflop.

bet the flop.

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03-04-2013 , 04:00 AM

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jsmo0th10

adept

Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 709

This has to be a level... but yes what stack sizes? Regardless I'm never folding this flop. Need more info on villain. But if this is a villain where I'm check-folding tpgk on the flop then I'm never raising pre when he has button and pos on me. Very very few situations where I'm not raising this pre but if this is a villain I'm check folding to after hitting my ace why even raise? Those crazy flop overbets confuse me. In my experience when they do in on the flop it is usually a marginal hand. River it's usually the nuts.

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03-04-2013 , 06:22 AM

#11

Rhotang

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 191

Eff stacks were 300$.
It wasn't really an overbet, it was more of a pot size bet. there were limpers in the hand.

And people i asked if it was a bad fold, not if i should have bet.

I thought he had AK. or 56.

It's simple. i checked for various reasons. The main reason was to disguise my hand.

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03-04-2013 , 06:24 AM

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Rhotang

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 191

I didn;t expect to have to fold. I thought he would bet 20-30 and i would either have called or raised. the 45$ bet threw me off.

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03-04-2013 , 06:26 AM

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FRYTWO

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 493

if you're not cbetting this flop, you're doing it wrong.

as played, however, you absolutely have to call and reevaluate on the turn.

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03-04-2013 , 06:27 AM

#14

just_bl4ze

enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 78

Cbet for 25-30$ that way you can find out more info. Otherwise its a terrible played hand. Why raise if can't cbet with TPMK

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03-04-2013 , 06:28 AM

#15

FRYTWO

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 493

if he's competent he could be betting any Ax any 5 any 6 and air.

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03-04-2013 , 08:36 AM

#16

Donat3llo

Faster Than Ski Patrol

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 23,114

Yes this is a bad fold. He has a very wide range after pfr checks to him. I'm not folding this w/out a read and gun to my head under these circumstances. Also not checking this flop. His raise is easier to interpret then his lead bet.

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03-04-2013 , 09:32 AM

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QuadJ

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Folding here is bad. You checked to disguise your hand strength, and then folded when villain showed some aggression. If the flop bet is pot sized, it is a little big but not huge. A last to act villain here on flop could be betting any pair or better, a straight draw, and sometimes total air. Your ahead of the range here for all the but the tightest rocks.

Showing your hand after folding such a strong hand is a huge mistake. This just invites people to bluff you later and fold marginal hands to your raises.

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03-04-2013 , 10:04 AM

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donkatruck

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,959

Pre-flop. I think raise larger, like to $26-$30. If you've have 2-3 limps+button+SB, I'm making this $18 in 1/2.

As for flop: As played I think you can rule out AK/AA unless you have a read that V is so passive he limps these hands on the button. That means the only hands that scare us are A5-6/55/66. I think you have to bet $30 on the flop. By checking, you are inducing bets from just about ATC with him repping an A and assuming you don't have one.

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03-04-2013 , 11:55 AM

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Dr Cooper

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 155

You thought it was so likely that he either overlimped AK on the button or peeled this raise with 56 that AQ was obviously a check/fold...

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03-04-2013 , 01:47 PM

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jlozan84

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 348

Have you seen this guy limp AK on the button before? Talk about MUBS! This thread has to be a level. What flop did you want, QQQ?

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03-04-2013 , 01:55 PM

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fogodchao

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 3,429

I've have to say that this is the first time I've seen someone raise pre, hit tpgk, and c/f. I could see checking to induce from certain opponents who auto bet when checked to but will fold their air, but c/f here should be illegal.

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03-04-2013 , 01:58 PM

#22

Avaritia

Confirmed 2500 hour haver

Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 12,248

Hahahaha I just made a scene at work I laughed so hard at this. This is gold.

Seriously dude open fold pre if you're going to check/fold that flop (I'm 100% serious). Hahahaha

How the %^*# do my posts get flamed when this is the typical post on llsnl...sigh

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03-04-2013 , 02:01 PM

#23

fogodchao

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Originally Posted by Rhotang

I thought he had AK. or 56.

You were at the table with him, so is he the type of guy who would l/c AK from the btn? Sounds a little mubsy, imo

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03-04-2013 , 02:06 PM

#24

The Rumor

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhotang

Villain, older male,dressed in nice suit, been living in Vegas for 40 years.

Hero. Young and probably seems overly aggressive.

Hero BB with AQ offsuit

few limps around the table BTN(villain) limps.

Hero raises to 18$. Folds to BTN who calls.

Flop is A56, rainbow.

Hero Checks, BTN bets 45$.

Reads on villain: None, other than the fact that he was staring at the young hero.

"Hero" folds, and shows the AQ, Villain says "that was a terrible fold".

What could villain REALLY have??

Good fold or bad fold from "hero"????

No. Just, no. This cannot be if you are really "young and aggressive"

Your post is lacking an incredible amount of information (stacks, # of limps, your planning/thoughts, villain's image and amount of time at table). I think this may be a sign that you need to analyze more of what's going on in your game.

Also the flop check is terrible. Absolutely terrible. It's a clear bet for value.

As played folding is awful.

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03-04-2013 , 02:08 PM

#25

trevdog

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 310

OP- you are thinking when a relatively dry flop comes, and older Vil shows aggression, that it's not worth getting involved. What you've missed is that old men Vils frequently will take a line like this with JJ, QQ, sometimes even a draw (7-8). They do even more often if they think they can run over a tight player.

[When preflop, i have seen a ton lately where these old guys will raise $25-30 pre in a 1/2 game. I think too many players assume it's "old man craftiness" with AA. Nah, usually it's JJ that don't want a caller. They're just trying to set a price. This is most likely one of those spots, only postflop.]

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