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06-21-2024 , 09:38 PM
First time posting in this forum. Looking to improve my game. Please let me know of posting errors also.

Saturday 6 am last table of the night. Everyone is stuck. I took a 5 minutes break and someone took chips from my stack by mistake, waiting for security to determine how much he took) and it is my last buy in for the night ( losing 350).

It is my second hand on this table.

V1 MP (600) just lost a 70bb pot Ax vs Aj in AKKxx young chinese seems loosey goosey raises to 10

Hero HJ (190) raises to 30 with AdQc
Fold
Fold
V2 (500)SB Also young chinese could be friends with the first one pretty sure that they are the reason why the game is still running. Stands up looks at my stack and cold calls after a pause.
BB folds
V1 folds

Flop(73) 7hQh4d
V checks
H bets 40
V calls
Turn (153) Ts
V checks
H shoves remaining stack 120

Are we happy stacking off as described or should I take a different line? Preflop?

Last edited by gangosear; 06-21-2024 at 09:43 PM.
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06-21-2024 , 10:05 PM
3b could probably be slightly bigger (~35), but other than that seems standard.
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06-22-2024 , 07:36 PM
I tend to go small for 3 streets on Q-high with these stacks, but any way you find to get the money in is fine.
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06-22-2024 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gangosear
Are we happy stacking off as described or should I take a different line? Preflop?
It's your money, not mine. It's 6am, table is breaking soon, people are down and gambling. Who knows what the guy can have. The SPR is close to 1 to 1. Nothing wrong with shoving like you did.

My best advice is don't stay up until 6am playing poker. Your sleep is screwed for days and you're not using skill when you're that tired. Also, don't be low stacked. If you're not willing to top up, get up and leave. You can easily end up in situations where you're sucked in with a marginal hand.
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06-24-2024 , 12:56 PM
If the table is action 3betty then I might consider flatting preflop to back jam over a raise and calls. Otherwise with this stack and hand against a loose opener I'm raising to $60ish to setup a PSB shove on any flop (perhaps slowplaying dry ones I hit). This would be far easier to do if there were some callers inbetween. But overall I don't like this "standard" 3x sizing cuz we're often just going to put in too much of our stack to not get to showdown to realize our equity.

Against an action player with an SPR of ~2 on a drawy board, I would just shove the flop.

As played, turn is as trivial shove.

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06-24-2024 , 02:41 PM
You're only 60BB deep so this seems fine. You're 60BB deep with TPTK against a player you perceived as weak and you're in a 3bet pot playing the cold caller.

Preflop is fine, open size was small and you describe as loosey goosey so anything from 30-40 seems fine. You could go small-small-small but two streets probably better against draws and in case he gets scared off on the river. Your line works.
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06-24-2024 , 03:39 PM
I disagree with betting small over 3 streets idea in small SPR pots when committed (which we obviously are at SPR ~2 with TPTK). If we bet a small 1/3rd PSB on the flop, we're giving overall IO of about 9:1; almost no reasonable draw is making a mistake calling (heck, even a gutshot is just barely getting worse than they need), especially when you factor in we might chicken out on a bunch of scary turn cards and give a free river. And given the fact that the game is built around this opponent (who probably isn't folding almost any piece at this stack depth), not getting in stacks ASAP (turn at the absolute latest) seems very meh to me. Leave small bets to big SPR pots when not committed with mediocre hands, imo.

Also disagree with "standard" preflop 3bet sizing at this stack depth facing an open. A raise to the standard 3x of $30 leaves us in a $60 pot where we'll often cbet a 1/2 PSB of ~$30ish (+/-). If we whiff and then face a check/raise or turn donk we're put in a stoopid spot of having put in a hugenormous 1/3rd of our stack and yet will often have to fold before the river without realizing our equity, which is also very meh.

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06-24-2024 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Also disagree with "standard" preflop 3bet sizing at this stack depth facing an open. A raise to the standard 3x of $30 leaves us in a $60 pot where we'll often cbet a 1/2 PSB of ~$30ish (+/-). If we whiff and then face a check/raise or turn donk we're put in a stoopid spot of having put in a hugenormous 1/3rd of our stack and yet will often have to fold before the river without realizing our equity, which is also very meh.

GoutofstepwiththeforumG
Not that out of step with the forum. At 60bb, I agree with you (something I don't remember doing too much of back in the day, lol), we want to always be making pot committing bets, I like raising larger as part of our SS strategy.

That being said, I actually find 60bb to be the most awkward of all the stack sizes, would almost always top up here. or leave.
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06-25-2024 , 11:19 AM
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That being said, I actually find 60bb to be the most awkward of all the stack sizes, would almost always top up here. or leave.
That's funny, I actually think this stack size is the ~perfect stack size for me to play, which is why I purposely sit on a constantly topped up stack of $200 in my 1/3 NL game.

Most raises in my game are more in the ~$15 neighbourhood, so 3betting to ~$60ish (to setup a PSB flop jam) isn't outrageously out-of-line (a somewhat reasonable 4x against a raiser with no calls, and a very reasonable 3x + 1 against a raiser with a call). A small open to $10 can easily see a couple of callers before it gets to us (where again a 3bet to ~$60 is very reasonable). The OP's exact spot (a small raise with no callers when it gets to us) is really the only awkward spot where a 3bet to ~$60 might be seen as a little out-of-line (but this will mostly be a rare spot).

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