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1/3 NL: AA facing turn raise 1/3 NL: AA facing turn raise

11-08-2014 , 04:42 AM
Friday night game, just sat down at the table so no reads and bought in full $300. Villian is a 30s white guy sitting to my left - covers. V2 is an OMC and is somewhat irrelevant in this hand.

Pre:

Hero raises to $13 in EP, V calls in MP, V2 calls in LP.

Flop ($48) : Q 7 4

Hero leads out $35, V calls, V2 folds

Turn ($118) : 10

Hero leads $70, V clicks it back to $140...Hero has ~$180 behind



Hero?

It seems like if we call we are committed, shoving seems bad because were probably behind, folding feels nitty.

Last edited by FLRainmaker; 11-08-2014 at 04:56 AM.
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11-08-2014 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FLRainmaker
Friday night game, just sat down at the table so no reads and bought in full $300. Villian is a 30s white guy sitting to my left - covers. V2 is an OMC and is somewhat irrelevant in this hand.

Pre:

Hero raises to $13 in EP, V calls in MP, V2 calls in LP.

Flop ($48) : Q 7 4

Hero leads out $35, V calls, V2 folds

Turn ($118) : 10

Hero leads $70, V clicks it back to $140...Hero has ~$180 behind



Hero?

It seems like if we call we are committed, shoving seems bad because were probably behind, folding feels nitty.

I guess it's a fold. I guess you could call and try to catch, with implied river bet you are getting the right price to try to beat QT. Either way, it would depend on the mood I was in, how likely I thought it was a set, blah blah blah. One thing is for sure, my last 110 is going in if I make my hand and staying out if I don't. I really think that the whole commitment threshold, while a good concept, is a little over rated/misapplied. In hundred cap games, it pops up that we are getting price to draw and fold to a miss even after X% has gone in quite often.
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11-08-2014 , 12:06 PM
Since you just sat and have no real reads I would just get it in but not feel good about it. You havent been there long enough to see if he spazz's with top pair or not yet.
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11-08-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SqredII
I guess it's a fold. I guess you could call and try to catch, with implied river bet you are getting the right price to try to beat QT. Either way, it would depend on the mood I was in, how likely I thought it was a set, blah blah blah. One thing is for sure, my last 110 is going in if I make my hand and staying out if I don't. I really think that the whole commitment threshold, while a good concept, is a little over rated/misapplied. In hundred cap games, it pops up that we are getting price to draw and fold to a miss even after X% has gone in quite often.
If we flat call turn then we have 110 left, assuming he shoves (very likely) and the board doesnt pair / no ace, we would be calling 110 to win ~600 with an overpair. Were pretty committed.
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11-08-2014 , 01:07 PM
You are never comitted in a cash game if your only factor for determining your 'commitment' criterion is pot size and stack size.

And fold the turn.
Your one paid hand is rarely good here on the turn and the time that it is aren't enough to make up for the times that it isn't.
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11-08-2014 , 01:17 PM
Snap fold turn. When you fire a big bet on turn AND get min raised (ESP when it commits villain) it's almost always two pairs+. This is about the scariest line
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11-08-2014 , 04:38 PM
Does anyone think that it's just better to check/call the turn instead of bet/fold?
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11-08-2014 , 05:11 PM
Fold.

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Originally Posted by Suess
Does anyone think that it's just better to check/call the turn instead of bet/fold?
No.
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11-08-2014 , 06:50 PM
Little to no read on V. 2p, QT possible line. Snap call if we knew AQ / A10. Flat or be committed. 8 outs (asssuming V has 2p), 17%. Call $70 to win $398 on turn, 18%.
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11-08-2014 , 06:58 PM
...Wut

Why can't he have sets and how the hell can he have AT
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11-08-2014 , 08:39 PM
The problem here is the dry board, what is he raising for? The only thing i can think of is monsters (2p+) or OESD/Qx.

I'll call here and hoping river to be check check.
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