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1/3 - NFD facing turn bet ip, line check please 1/3 - NFD facing turn bet ip, line check please

03-03-2015 , 02:51 AM
V (CO): Late 20s, Middle-eastern, quiet, never seen him before. Looks recreational as his preflop raise sizes are $10. He likes to cbet when he's the pf aggressor but I've seen him b/f 60 to 190 earlier in a hand after lots of tanking. Also, I have hardly seen him in many pots or get out of line. Haven't seen any showdowns yet.

V raises 10, Hero calls OTB with A 9, 2 other callers

Flop (50): K J 8
V bets 30, Hero calls

Turn (110): 5
V bets 55, Hero ?

Both of us have 250-300 behind. Also, line check please?

Problem is our hand looks exactly like what it is if we call OTT and V has shown earlier that he can bet/fold in case we hit our flush OTR.

Also, line check OTF please. Didn't really want to raise his cbet when we were getting a good price to hit our nuts.
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03-03-2015 , 04:50 AM
Pre is fine and obv not folding for one bet OTF, but Fold turn as it's not a good card to bluff and this V will not pay off.
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03-03-2015 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Pork Fri Rize
Pre is fine and obv not folding for one bet OTF, but Fold turn as it's not a good card to bluff and this V will not pay off.
So there are "good" cards to bluff turn?
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03-03-2015 , 09:15 AM
Against a V like this, you might raise flop. You'll fold out any hand he has but a big K and if he calls, you can re evaluate the turn, possibly continue to barrel a good card or take a free card. I might make it 75 here though with just flush draw and one over, I probably play this just like you did and call.
On the turn, fold. It's getting expensive, pots odds aren't there and you don't think V will pay you off when you hit. It's close,mas V almost gave you the right price, esp if your A is live but it's a reluctant fold.
Good cards to bluff turn: any J or 8 pairs the board and should slow V down. Any A, Q, T, 9 or 7 possibly completes a straight or makes two pair so depending on your read, you could semi bluff the straight cards, esp any Q, 9 or 7. If V has AK and you get frisky when the Q hits, he's going to have to think long since it hits your two pair range and your straight range.
But, as played, I think this is pretty standard you played it well and you fold turn.
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03-03-2015 , 12:30 PM
If callers are in front of us, I would also call preflop with position and getting good implied odds with these stacks in a multiway pot. If we were the first to call, then it's probably a lot closer.

I also just call the flop. He's continued into the world on a board that could smack him.

We're getting exactly 3:1 on the turn, which means we'll need to make up one bet of ~$55 on the river in a pot that will be $220 in order to break even. I think we can manage that, so I call. I would probably shove the river if I hit (noting that he'd only have to call a 250 - 300 river shove 1 out of 5 - 6 times for this to be profitable). And with a $220 pot on the river, even if he does bet/fold, my guess is his bet will be more than the 1/4 PSB we need.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-03-2015 , 12:48 PM
If when you hit the nuts otr you can get $150 off of him, then you have enough IO to call even if you have what it looks like you have.

But this hand is a good example of why it's better to 3-bet and have the imitative. You can set your price, you can buy a free card, instead of just flatting and waiting for a spade. When you flat pre, you can only win with your cards.
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03-03-2015 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
If when you hit the nuts otr you can get $150 off of him
Unless I'm missing something, we only have to win about ~$55 off him on the river to ~breakeven. Which will be a mere 1/4 PSB.

GamImissingsomething?G
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03-03-2015 , 01:23 PM
If we can get 150 otr, then we're calling 55 ott to win the $110 in the pot from pre-turn action, $110 going into the pot ott, and $150 from V otr. So 55/(110+110+150) = ~15%. And we have 7 outs to the nuts, which is about 15% to hit otr.

I didn't include the A's/8s/5s to avoid RIO situations.
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03-03-2015 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by eldiesel
If we can get 150 otr, then we're calling 55 ott to win the $110 in the pot from pre-turn action, $110 going into the pot ott, and $150 from V otr. So 55/(110+110+150) = ~15%. And we have 7 outs to the nuts, which is about 15% to hit otr.

I didn't include the A's/8s/5s to avoid RIO situations.
Oh, ok, you're discounting your outs; fair enough.

GIshouldprobablydothatmorethanIdoG
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