I have lots of years of LHE experience, but just starting some NL play:

Folds to CO who calls. Hero is on button with 77 and raises to 12. SB calls. BB folds and CO calls. Both villains are regs and aren't overly fishy but have occasionally shown up with weird hands. Hero starts the hand with $220.

Pot($39). Flop is 3 3 8

Checks to hero who bets $25. Both call.

Turn is K

Checks to hero. In limit hold'em I frequently bet here again, but not sure what to do in NL. What if I had 99?

In my opinion here is a great spot to barrel one more time. Make it big, something like $70. If called, give up. But when called by two spots on the flop you are likely behind at least 1 of them. The K should scare them and easily fits your range, highly unlikely anybody has a 3 obviously but possible.

It's not terrible to check here and possible steal the river on the blank, might even be a better option considering you aren't very deep..... either way is fine in my opinion

99 is a pretty easy bet for value of ~$45-$50 here
which means that 77 should be a check back imo

In abstract not knowing anything about opponents I would recommend checking back the turn. When both call the flop the pot is too big, another bet would have to be $70 or so and that is risking too much against two opponents. Betting once more isn't a bad idea though and I would do it some of the time. 99 can be a bit more aggressive here and bet turn more often.

Knowing how wide villains call preflop, how light they call flop and how much they give up turn all make a big difference in this situation. Paired boards tend to create weird play.

With two callers it's time to slow it down on a board with zero draws

Well played so far

Im pretty sure its slightly better to barrel this turn and fold out some 8s/99-QQ. Both sizings suggested so far have their upsides. A dub is going to have a ton of FE for us here.

check flop is better also

Grunch:

LLSNL V's tend to be non-believers on paired boards. Good spot to V bet as opener, and generally not a great spot to c-bet air. Calling range is basically a lot of big aces and all PPs.

Turn is a WA/WB moment. You're not getting called by worse, and better is only rarely folding. I would check here for pot control and would do so with 99 also. At TT I might start betting for value against the sticky smaller PPs, but since V's love to "put you on AK," I might not too.

OBV not getting called by worse lol but disagree better is never folding. although 44 55 66 all fold these turns, so do a bunch of 8s to be honest. nobody wants to bluff catch for like half their stack with 87o here anymore.

Imo your initial cbet flop should be smaller cca 1/2pot. Flop is very dry cbet is most to deny equity to overcards, can be small. Check turn and give up river then. Sometimes it checks through and you win SD.

X the turn, there are few Kx floats in their range stuff like KQ, KJ, etc... but maybe these hands fold OTF?

Never barreling the turn here vs. 2 villain's and prolly not HU unless villain was folding 8x a lot, 77 doesn't do well vs. their calling range i'd rather barrel something like AJ/AQ at least we have 2 overs if we get called again.

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I think i like cbetting this flop unless they are loose passives, coz people won't know how to defend properly OTF here and our hand is most likely the best/could use protection and we are getting folds a lot. Prolly not bluff-catching later streets if we get called tho but i mean it depends on villains.

First, I said better is rarely folding, not never folding. Secondly, though, my experience is very different than yours at 1/2, and somewhat different at 1/3. I find that the average V is very sticky on paired flop boards, especially when the paired cards are lower than the singleton. They never believe the original opener has one of the paired cards (with good reason), and therefore they think your flop bet is suspicious, and if your flop bet is suspicious, so is your turn bet.

While 78o might fold to a barrel, it might not too. A8s probably isn't folding, though it might to a third barrel if it doesn't improve. There are also a lot of Ks in Vs ranges, and those are pretty much never folding. I'd like a turn barrel a lot more if we had air here, but we have good SDV, and I see no need to turn it in to a bluff.

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While 78o might fold to a barrel, it might not too. A8s probably isn't folding, though it might to a third barrel if it doesn't improve. There are also a lot of Ks in Vs ranges, and those are pretty much never folding. I'd like a turn barrel a lot more if we had air here, but we have good SDV, and I see no need to turn it in to a bluff.[/QUOTE]


I play decent amount at this level regularly fwiw .. Idk man imo A8 is prolly only 8 that mighttt , again doubt 98, T8, J8 , stick in $70 on this turn . What Ks are in Vs range?. Show up with random ass **** in 1/2 but what K high hand really floated oop and plus this card hits hero range sqaure

Thanks for the feedback. Follow up question:

Hero checks. River is 7. SB bets 80% pot. CO moves all in and has both SB and me covered. All in?

We started the hand with 70 bb. I am going all in 100% of the time here and not thinking twice about it

FYI it would be easier for others to read/opine if you formatted your last post to remind people of stack and pot size

I also played a lot of hours of live lowstakes Limit before coming to live lowstakes NL. Welcome to the dark side!

Preflop is really dependent on how loose the blinds/limper are and how terrible vs fit/fold they play postflop. The tighter / fitfolder everyone is, the more I raise preflop. The looser / terrible everyone is, the more I overlimp here. If I can get away with a smaller raise size to narrow the field to HU, I might try that too (say $10 *if* I think that will work). This used to be an autoraise for me preflop, but I've backed off on this a little; having said that, it is still my default.

I'm cool with our ~1/2 PSB cbet here on this drawless board (ETA: As someone else mentioned, probably no reason to go more than 1/2 PSB).

When both players call this flop, I'm checking the turn behind. When the SB calls our flop bet, that means CO is calling with 99+/8x/3x; I mean, do we really think he is overcalling the flop with 66? My hand has some showdown value so I'm not looking to turn it into a bluff at this point; I would be more on board with betting the turn with air (like whiffed AQ trying to rep the K), although even here on this board I'm probably more for giving up. I'm trying to check to showdown, and folding to any bets.

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As Rumour says, since we started the hand with only 70bb and we've made a fullhouse in a raised pot, I think we just have to go with it.

Sadly, we'll lose a percentage of the time here (33/88/KK are all very possible here), but not enough to make shoving not profitable (especially if Villains can both show up with weird 3x hands, or 87/K8/K3/etc).

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How big are SB's and CO's stacks? It makes a bit of difference in the psychology, particularly in knowing how much CO is risking putting SB all in. Really though, for 70bb I'm not folding a full house with a pair higher then the one on the board without a really strong and specific read. I would have to have a very strong read that one of these villains is rock on the river and is never betting/raising with worse.

The preflop play makes KK unlikely but 88/33 both make sense for either villain. There are a lot of hands hero beats that might be willing to move all in on this river. Heck, after the turn is checked around any 3X thinks they are good and any pair over 8+ might be willing to move in. If there is some bluffing and trying to pick off bluffs going on they might even be weaker.