1/3 blinds

V1 (250$) / UTG +1- Loose passive player. Bets strong only when he has something strong. Otherwise he is a calling station. Likes to see a lot of flops.

Hero (500$) / MP - TAG image.

V2 (600$) / BTN - Mid 30s married TAG. 3 bets/Squeezes fairly often within his "tight" range.

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V1 limps, Hero raises to 15$ with JdJs, V2 on BTN 3bets to 40$ > V1 folds, Hero tanks because Jacks are tough for him to play postflop but makes the call.

FLOP (87$): 3c Kh 6s

Hero checks, V2 bets 35$, Hero calls.

TURN (157$): Ts

Hero checks, V2 checks

RIVER (157$): 9h

Hero checks, V2 tanks 15 secs and shoves all in.

Hero ????

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I have a hard time playing this deep with mid pocket pairs like JJ. Because once an overcard hits, it puts one in a tough spot. Difficult to know where one is at. And once involved in a hand, losing 30 BB aprox, as its the case, happens often.

Will post results later.

Pre and flop seems good.

I don't think I could get to a call for $425 in a $157 pot. But it is worth thinking about which hands would play this way for fat value or a bluff.
The (nut) value combos are QJs and 99 tho you block two of the QJs and some of the time villain would bet them on the turn.
QQ has blockers but would be more likely to be thin value betting. AQ and AJ have a blocker to the straight. Any more bluffs would probably be too many combos.

When we double block the nuts, and the turn checks through, I'd probably lead out on the river for about half pot, maybe a little less, like 40% pot, with a plan to fold to a raise.

AP, I'm probably folding to this bet size.

When V checks back turn, it looks like he was bluffing pre and on flop, but is giving up now, either because he has air and doesn't think you'll fold, or because he picked up some showdown value by pairing the T. Maybe he has a weak K and is pot controlling.

He doesn't need to turn a pair of T's into a bluff on the river, and if he was going to bluff, he doesn't need to go huge when you checked to him on every street. We could be bluff catching with some KX. It looks like he made 2P on the river, and is going for max value.

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either a set or air, either way i cant call.

This would be pretty sick if hes bluffing. This is just such a massive overbet. It really doesnt make any sense. We block QJ twice and its the only hand that would make sense. Im very suspicious, but i still cant call off 3x pot shove w only 2nd pair.

The river could go either way, I would lean towards a hero call since we checked twice so he can't think we're at all that strong, hence the 2x jam (he probably wants a fold, not a call or he probably woulda bet a lot less).

vs a player who 3bets and squeezes often I would rather 4bet pre.

Thanks guys. I eventually folded.

He showed:

You played it about perfectly. Nothing you can do OOP here, when there's an overcard to your pair on the flop and he rivers a set.

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I like a lead OTR for block sizing. Maybe 30$. Fold if raised big. Call if he minclicks. AP is easy fold. Guess it was air but oh well, just means our sets will over-realize when we include premiums in our checking range. Also if the V is described as competent JJ can fall into a 4-bet range here pre at some frequency.

I typically take this super-small block bet sizing with hands that are either super strong and are trying to induce a raise, or hands that might be best and don't want to face a large bet if we check, but will be easy to fold to a raise, because the board ran out in such a way that the nuts changed on the river, and either we or V could have made the nuts.

JJ doesn't fit the bill here. QJ would be the nuts on the river, and we double-block that hand, making it less likely V will come over the top with a raise. We don't want to bet small and induce a spaz-raise that will put us in the blender with a hand that has this much showdown value.

If we bet 40% pot, we can get value from all of V's TX, lower PP's, and hands like A9ss, if he 3B's that wide from the BTN pre - all hands that are probably just going to check back. We might get QQ or some weak KX to fold at some low frequency, but we're probably getting called by and losing to those hands.

The way this played, it looks like V didn't like our flop call on a K-high board, was pot-controlling on the turn, and is either bluffing or betting a pretty strong hand for value, having decided we wouldn't check the river if we had 2P+.

Hard to see what V's bluffs would be here, and it's doubtful he'd jam with very many better 1P hands, so it looks like he's got 2P+.

Interesting POV. However a question arises. The purpose of a block bet is to pot control and get cheap at showdown + make V to fold some hands.

Whereas the intention when checking, as you mention, is to get to showdown because we have value. So when to block bet and when to check?

Good article on block betting here:

https://upswingpoker.com/block-bet/



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