Hi all,

1/3 at recently reopened MD Live for a short session to test the waters. Temp check upon entry, N95 on, ready to hit the felt and plexiglass 7-handed. About 30 minutes into the session when this hand happens.

UTG opens $12, UTG1 calls, hero AQcc OTB flats, SB calls. UTG has been sorta active, but hasn't opened UTG a whole lot - most of his raises come later positions. UTG1 is 30 y/o WG, don't know him, seems decent from hands played/level of aggression. SB is chick waiting for PLO5. $250 eff. with UTG1. Hero should have tight image as usual.

Flop ($44): Qh-Ts-3s. UTG x, UTG1 $25, hero calls, SB calls.

Turn ($119): 2d. UTG1 quickly bombs $100, four greens, hero?

Thanks,
DT

Ugh. Sure looks like an overpair afraid of the wet board, imo, but there may well be semi-bluffs in his range too. The sizing seems to fit the semi-bluff better, as the flop bet could have been a price-setter and the turn looks like "go away." What is effective stack on SB and any reads on her reaction to this bet?

She has around $400 and has us covered. I don't get anything from her (honestly wasn't even looking her way...oops).

Isn't the "go away" sizing ott also consistent with a made hand trying to force out the draws? This is a wet board that threatens sets and 2p too. Is it clearly a draw for this sizing?

Does this seem like a reasonable range?

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,232 trials (Exhaustive)

board: QT32

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQc	35.31%	435	0
As5s,KsJs,KK,QT,KQ,33,TT	64.69%	797	0

Yes, the "go away sizing" fits an overpair/chop well, but the sizing multiway OTF does not. It's not clearly a draw, I'm just saying that the sizing pattern seems to fit a draw better than it does a vulnerable made hand.

I'd reduce the number of sets and KQ combos, and add in AA and at least some AQ, a lot more AsXs, and maybe a few draws that aren't combo draws.

slam dunk 3b pre

AP i don't think im folding after the way the hand played out, your top top is under repped

I've got this as a fold without extra reads on villain.

Most people aren’t positionally aware so if he’s been active, seems like a clear 3!/fold imo. I think mixing in a flat vs an UTG open is okay if you’ve seen him 4! light before.

Not folding here. What are we hoping for when we flat flop?

Whats all this talk about overpairs? UTG1 flat called preflop. He doesnt have an overpair. He has AQ at best, but probably KQ/QJ, maybe even just Jx. He's betting looking for a fold because he puts everyone on a draw as is the tendency on boards like this.

Ah, i was misled by that too, and has mixed up with utg & utg+1. Hero should continue on turn, as villain has way more semi-bluffs and dominated queens than hands that beat aq.

My guess is Garick missed that as well.

Although I’m not folding vs utg either lol

That being said, I don’t play AQs this way IP normally.

I’d imagine live poker looks weird as hell right now, to be playing with plexiglass. I’d have sanitizer on the ready as well.

I’d 3 bet preflop. You have a strong hand that’s likely ahead of the raiser’s range 7h and you have a caller in between to sweeten the pot. I’d be bumping this to a nice $50 raise.

What better hands do you have that you arrive to the turn this way with? Also you block top set and top two (which he can have since a lot of live players won’t even 3 bet Queens) and don’t block bluffs. With a hand this strong I’m probably seeing a river and reassessing if I want to call down depending on SB’s action behind and what the river card is (probably folding a spade, K, J, 9)

Like be real here. Even if we give him QQ at 100% frequency and every combo of QT, that’s 7 total combos. 33 and 22 make 13 total hand combos beating you, unless he’s extra special and can have a hand like T3dd. KJ alone is 16 combos. And as RoadtoPro mentions, he can easily be valuing KQ or QJ this hard. Going to have to pry this from me on the turn given that distribution.


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Yup. Oops. With him not being the original opener, I def don't see overpairs, and the sizing pattern is really weird for 2-pair or sets. I definitely see even more semi-bluffs in his range now.

Grunching ...

I prefer a 3b pre with the +1 call in between, though 83 bbs eff makes post play more challenging.

Flop - I like a raise given that PFR X a wet board and the SB behind. Calling could easily create a domino effect.

AP - Not folding this turn, calling it off on blank rivers.

Wasn't going to respond to HH's until I got back onto the felt myself (which might not be until next year) but godammit you sucked me in.

Didn't grunch this for some reason. I'm rusty.

Overpairs can still *easily* be in UTG+1 first to flat an UTG raiser, imo.

I'm fine with just flatting preflop with relatively little dead money in the pot, facing an UTG open, and a hand that also plays fine multiway.

I'm fine with just flatting the flop and seeing what happens.

Dude bombing the pot into 2 opponents on the turn is a a reasonable time to exit, imo. We'll fold the best hand some of the time but I'm not ready to commit and this bet is committing so we have to make our decision now.

GrustyG

OK so I think I have a good idea now. Some results.

Very interesting responses, with most saying call turn and calling brick rivers. Call me scared money, but with stack sizes as they were, I decided I wasn't willing to stack off with my one pair multi-way at these stack depths and folded turn. For whatever reason, my "spidey sense" told me that V was super strong, "go away" betting with a made hand that had me in bad shape. And as GG said, I'd have a small bet behind if I call turn so I'd be calling most non-horrendous - and even some bad - rivers too. Thought there were better spots to stack off than just top/top (particularly multiway), even when I could be dominating some of his hands. (Would most Vs bomb turn - nearly pot - with QJ or KQ though?) Also not enough reads to conclude that V was semi-bluffing hard with the nfd or KJ-type hands. I think playing these hands this aggressively is rather rare at these stakes.

I agree a 3! was probably in order pre. That would have made post-flop much easier - this hand, anyway. What can I say, I'm rusty!

Thanks all. Hope to have some more to share if I return later in the week.

And yes jdr0317, the dealers all had copious amounts of hand sanitizer!

This is the very best turn card in the deck that doesn’t improve you, Dumbo. He could easily have a weaker queen or a draw.

Don’t be so afraid to get stacked imo

Also, as you noted, this situation is a large part of the problem with not 3! pre OTB. You’re rarely going to get 4!, don’t overthink it.

Please tell us about this plexiglass setup lol

Grunch: raise pre, raise flop, bomb turn, stack chips. At 83BB eff you’re still playing scared.

Mod Edit: Insults scrubbed. Cliffs: "Dumbo's line's seem to have a consistent scared money issue."

How often does someone double barrel a multiway pot for stacks on a draw?

How often does someone labelled as "seems decent" get super excited about bombing to get stacks in play against two opponents with KQ (and perhaps QJ) just cuz draws in a raised pot?

If you saw your opponent continually get in stacks with TPTK in multiway pots to the turn having gotten in a mere 5% of stacks preflop (which a lot are advocating we do now that we're here), how bad would you label him?

Galreadyout-of-stepwiththeforumandit'smyfirstHHpostin3months,lolG

I hate this line of thinking

Against an unknown at MD Live, folding probably isn't terrible. This is a protected pot with the SB in the hand, too.

@javi: The plexiglass makes you feel like you are in a submarine or a bank, only smaller. Couple folks cut their fingers on the sharp edges of the "teller hole" we each have for cards and chips (the poor dodos). It's easy to hit your shoulder, head, and arms on the protruding barriers that separate players from each other. Seat 5 (we are 7-handed) is by far the most cramped and the floor frequently has to sanitize seats to accommodate seat transfers out of seat 5. And yet it's live poker so I enjoy it all anyway. People tending to be more polite than usual (except, as usual, at omaha). Played a 16-hour session the other day to get it out of my system (my second session since shutdown; first one was 3 hours). It was great. You get used to the barriers after your first session IME. I don't think I'll get used to wearing an N95 ever though.