V is an attractive young Asian female from California, sat down an orbit ago. I'm fifties, collared shirt and sports coat, dont exactly look like OMC, but not really w & c either. It's 9pm, and we're at a major strip resort which name rhymes with Otajo.

V's first hand at the table:

V posts the $3 BB with 300 behind, one limper to me in MP, I make it $16 with QQ. V flats, limper folds, flop comes AA7, V bets 15, I call.
Turn is a T, V checks, I check.
River a 2, V checks, I bet 10 to induce or get value, V flats and mucks when she sees my hand.

Exactly an orbit later this happens:

V posts BB (260 behind), folded to me (cover), I make it 13 with AA, folded to V, who thinks briefly and re-raises to 50.

My thought process:

This is a very big reraise, looks like V wants me to fold. Obv I'm not folding.

If I 4-bet V is likely to fold anything but (the unlikely) AA, KK, and QQ, and QQ might even fold (?). OK, and she might call with AK, but a lot of players fold those to a 4-bet. Of course V might spazzing with a wider range, but I have no specific reads indicating this will happen. Almost the opposite.

OTOH, even if I just flat I create a STP ratio of slightly more than 2, and my chips are going in on or after the flop, no matter what.

Is the most profitable course of action here - since were only playing 80 BB deep - a no-brain shove (and to stop over-thinking straightforward stuff), a sophisticated min-re-raise, or a tricky flat?

I don't much see the point in 4 betting unless I'm going to balance my 4 betting range. So I don't 4bet.

Suppose she is on AK, and an ace or a king falls on the flop?

Suppose she is on QQ and the flop is T high?

Aren't you going to wish you hadn't turned your hand face up?

Don't shove her outside her comfort zone. She thinks she has something that can't be beat. Let her keep believing that.

4b to 125 pre, if she calls jam any flop, e z game.

I don't read it as Villain wanting us to fold. I read it as Villain simply waking up with a big hand and 3betting it. In the history hand, it really looks like Villain simply had a pocket pair, bet the flop when she thought it might be good, checked turn when you called flop, then called the weak bet on the river cuz of all the weakness you showed. Everything to me seems ABC about her so far, imo.

The downside to flatting is there will come some flops which prevents her from getting chips in (A/K high flops when she has QQ-, whiffed flops when she has AK, etc.).

The downside to minraising is that while she is never folding anything, again she might see a flop where she manages to fold postflop. But at least we still do get some more money out of her.

The downside to shoving is she *might* be able to hero fold TT or something like that. But does anyone who is ABC 3bet/fold out of the blinds? Even AK is simply going to go with their hand at this point and hope they are flipping.

I think the more ABC our opponent, and the more shortstacked, and the more we are unknown, the more shoving > minraising > flatting, imo.

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I do not think flatting is a smart option, tiny 4-bet keeps in almost her entire range

100% perfect spot to click it back. $87.
Flop will have $170, bet $70 on any flop, and ship the turn for $100.

The alternative is to flat and ck/min raise any flop bet and stick it in on the turn. But that lets her fold more often I think. But pot would be $100, with $210 behind. If she cBets $60, we click it back to $120, and we can stick it in for $90 on the turn.

Or we can flat pre, check/cl the flop, and donk the turn.
But giving her more streets gives her more reasons to fold.

I still prefer to click it back pre and bet small flop/turn.

I don't see how we're going to make any money 4betting here. Just call and let her cbet.

i really doubt this villain is ever 3betting weak. her range at the widest would likely be AK+, JJ+. if you dont think she folds QQ, i think a 4bet to $100 is good. AK probably doesnt fold to a small 4bet. i hate flatting because if an over flops against her KK or QQ you dont get any action and if she whiffs with AK you dont get action. if you think she always has QQ+ and never folds then obviously just shove pre.

You dont need to balance in a live 1/3