Hero sitting around $250. Hasn't played many hands and been playing about an hour so likely looks TAGgy. Bet low paired board with called mid pp overpair in 5 way pot after pf raiser checked and everyone folded.
Villain covers hero. Sees quite a few flops, but haven't seen much real aggression from him. Seems sticky on flop, maybe with draws but it's not clear as I haven't seen him showdown much.
UTG limps. Hero raises 15 with QTdd. Folds to SB (villain) who calls and limper who calls.
Board comes QcJc8 (44)
Checks to hero who bets 30. Villain calls and limper folds.
Turn comes Jh (don't remember if 8 was hearts or not, don't think it was). (103)
Check behind on turn and try to get to showdown. If the river is a club I'm folding if V leads, if river is a non-club (and non Q of course) I'm evaluating based on sizing and checking back if checked to.
Check behind on turn and try to get to showdown. If the river is a club I'm folding if V leads, if river is a non-club (and non Q of course) I'm evaluating based on sizing and checking back if checked to.
QTs in EP is trash. suited gaper is still trash from that spot.
Anyway, you are in WA/WB situation
so ,.. check and call probably is the play at this point after getting called OTF
If you bet the turn and get raised what you gonna do?
Fold the best hand or call with the second best?
you will never ever know what to do if get raised OTT. Even if you get called OTT you don't know where you stand. WA/WB ??? - wtf I'm doing?
I don't like the preflop raise. We've already seen one 5way raised pot, so my guess is this is a loose table. And being in EP, we have zero clue how many people are interested in seeing a flop. We can also often just valuetown ourselves here by limiting the calling hands to dominating hands. At my raisey / non-payoffy tables, I'd actually fold preflop, but my default at more passive / payoffy tables was to limp. In the end we got a pretty decent result as we somehow got this 3ways and in position, but I'm guessing that result is hard to predict.
The other problem with raising is that we create a very small SPR of 5ish here which doesn't exactly give us a lotta room to move and will get us into commitment decisions very quickly (and yet we'll be uncomfortable committing with TP with this hand). With an SPR of 5, we could actually get stacks in with just 2 big bets, and trivially with 3 small bets. Even just 3ways with TP, it's not the greatest result.
So the flop bet seems reasonable. But even this leads towards a turn, and even if it was a blank, just a 2/3 PSB of $70 would lead towards a huge $245 pot with just $135 behind (could we fold to a shove on a busted river?). IMO, thanks to preflop, we've got ourselves into a weird spot where we shouldn't feel committed and yet stack sizes and drawyness of board almost suggest we should be.
Overall, I'd probably check back the turn. We have a pretty mediocre hand at this point. Lots of better Qx beat us (especially those calling a raise), T9 beats us, Jx beats us, 88 beats us, slowplayed KK+ beats us, etc. We risk giving a free card to a draw that is behind, but these draws only make up a small part of his overall range and will rarely get there anyways.
The real question will be what to do on the river if he donks. We'll probably have to call, although I'm not sure how great I would feel about it.
I agree a check would be better as I end up building a big pot. So I bet 55 in the case he has draws, planning to check/fold to bet on river. I get c/r ai and I? How many draws to made hands (optimistically)? I'm getting around 7:3 for a call.
I agree a check would be better as I end up building a big pot. So I bet 55 in the case he has draws, planning to check/fold to bet on river. I get c/r ai and I? How many draws to made hands (optimistically)? I'm getting around 7:3 for a call.
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Fold. You're smoked here. V generally hasn't shown aggression. Why would bluff his draws on a paired turn? You're behind all of his value hands and generally have two outs.
