Saturday night, 9-handed

H: 30s WG, 500, maybe TAG image
V1: MAAG, gambly whale. Will x/r or x/shove with anything TPGK or better, call down with draws when not getting correct odds, etc. Buys in big. Always drinking corona. Covers me
V2: 30s BG, first time playing with him but seems to call wide, and stab at pots IP. Covers me

H UTG+1 raises K K to 12
V1 in LJ calls
V2 in HJ calls
BTN and both blinds call (all loose-passive, ~400 each)

Flop (6 players, ~65): 9 5 8
Blinds x
H x (?)
V1 x
V2 45
fold to H who calls 45 (?)
V2 raises to 150
V1 calls
H?

Pot is ~410, I have just over a PSB left


Obviously 12 was not big enough pre for this table
Also thoughts on the initial x/c on the flop?

You need to clarify which player bet flop initially and which check raised. You have both as V2 currently and it obviously makes a big difference in this HH.

Agreed, though flipping V2 and V1 at the bottom of the flop action makes the hand make sense. I.e. V1 checks then pops it to 150, which V2 calls.

Not a great spot, and I'm honestly tempted to let it go, AP. Not happy about maybe donking off 165bb because I have Kings.

Alternatively since V2 (the V who might have a clue) b/c, instead of b/3b, I'm discounting a made hand (set or straight), and giving V2 something like 2P instead or an openender. Is this logic flawed? Or is a straight on this board happy to just call and hope H (who called the first bet) comes along?

Whoops, sorry about that. Nh is correct - I flipped V1 and V2 on the flop. Corrected action below:

H UTG+1 raises K K to 12
V1 in LJ calls
V2 in HJ calls
BTN and both blinds call (all loose-passive, ~400 each)

Flop (6 players, ~65): 9 5 8 r
Blinds x
H x (?)
V1 x
V2 45
fold to H who calls 45 (?)
V1 raises to 150
V2 calls
H?

Pot is ~410, I have just over a PSB left

We beat nothing in their value range, and even their draws are likely to be OESD's with decent equity.

Then again, our hand is under-repped when we just check-call flop, so V1 might just be "making a move" with 1P, and V2 looks like he's chasing a draw.

V1's x/r is barely 3x, which seems kinda fishy. V2 probably would have re-raised/jammed over the x/r if he flopped 2P or better.

I'd feel better folding here if we raised larger pre and c-bet the flop, V1 called, and V2 raised. As played, V2 doesn't look that strong, and a back-raise-jam after initially check-calling looks super-strong, strong enough to get V1 to fold a lot of his 2P and all his draws.

I think it's a fold or jam spot, and I'd be leaning jam against these two specific V's, the way this was played.

Even if V2 calls with 2P and V1 calls with a draw, we're not dead. The board can pair and the draws can brick out. I prefer to get max fold equity with a jam right here.

Played well now fold

Also I never understood why underrepping your hand is so disliked on this forum. Underrepping top pair or overpairs is one of the most profitable moves in live llsnl because you are playing level one thinkers who auto assume you don’t have certain hands in your range if you don’t bet them

I would just check KK overpair to the field because it isn't strong enough to bet into the field on this dangerous texture. Let's see what is going on in terms of action behind us.

And then I would call the $45.

Now, it becomes very interesting when the whale check raised the field after the whale INITIALLY checked behind the PFR check. We would normally expect him to bet vulnerable 1 pair hands like JJ/TT and 9x when checked to him to protect against overcards. So his "greedy check raise" here is representing nutted hands like a flopped straight or set that were slow playing to build a huge pot against a bet behind him.

Time to fold.

Well played by OP up to this point. Hope OP folded.

I only said hero's hand was under-repped. I didn't say how I felt about it.

Played fine but could go a little bigger pre always. Fold now, although it sucks.