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1/3 Live NL 9 Handed TT vs solid LAG limp 3bet pre 1/3 Live NL 9 Handed TT vs solid LAG limp 3bet pre

07-01-2018 , 10:00 PM
All 3 players playing around 200bbs deep.

I wake up w/ TxTs in the HJ. Villian is a LAG, who limps from EP, I raise to 18, a LP-type in the CO calls, Villian 3bets to 70, I call, CO calls.

Flop:
J95, all spades.

Villain checks, I lead for 100, CO folds, villain calls.

Turn:
9c

Action goes check, check.

River:
Ah

Action again goes check, check.

What kind of range do you put him on and how do you play this differently? I'm really unsure about this hand, I think I should have probably double barreled the turn for $180 and let it go check check on Ah river if he called the turn.
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07-02-2018 , 02:55 AM
Pre is fine.

I would check the flop. If he's checking something like the As it is not to check/call. Your hand has good equity against the hands he folds and hates to get x/raised. Without the Ts a small protection/value bet (less than $100) would be reasonable.

There is no reason to bet the turn. It's clearly not a value bet and doesn't work as a bluff either.

The river you could turn your hand into a bluff as you should have more Ax than villain. It depends on whether or not you think he can play Jx/KK/QQ type hands this way and fold them on the river sometimes. You don't have a lot of worse hands that seem like better candidates.
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07-03-2018 , 01:43 PM
I'm either/or preflop the first time. TT is going to see a lotta gross flops and playing an aggro player ain't going to be fun, so I think overlimping and keeping the pot small is fine (but so is raising, especially since we do have position). I fold to the reraise. I doubt our position is going to make up for the fact we're getting in huge 12% of stacks, and our IO are only 12:1, which ain't great considering he doesn't always have a hand to pay off with (and yet when he doesn't will often bet us off ours on early streets).

When a laggy guy checks the flop, we should be a little concerned. But I guess I don't hate our bet / check back turn line, plus easy check back on this river.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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07-03-2018 , 03:55 PM
I can't put a lot of bluffs in his range PF unless you are opening a lot of pots and he could be playing back at you. Have you seen him limp-re-raise with a bluff before? I find that line pretty value heavy across all player types. Without other info I'd give him a range of AJ+, JJ+.

I'm calling the 3 bet pre because I'd have this guy in the stackable category. I'm purely set-mining and letting go when I miss.

As played checking turn, checking river.

After he calls the flop bet I'm narrowing his range to AJ,AK/AQ with a spade, and JJ+. I don't think we are getting any of that to fold.
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07-03-2018 , 07:37 PM
I love GG's take on things.

"When a laggy guy checks the flop, we should be a little concerned. But I guess I don't hate our bet / check back turn line, plus easy check back on this river."

Of course, when a laggy guy BETS the flop, we ALSO should be a little concerned.

I am concerned that I might want to be concerned no matter what happens.
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07-04-2018 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nozsr
I love GG's take on things.

"When a laggy guy checks the flop, we should be a little concerned. But I guess I don't hate our bet / check back turn line, plus easy check back on this river."

Of course, when a laggy guy BETS the flop, we ALSO should be a little concerned.

I am concerned that I might want to be concerned no matter what happens.
Yeah, this is true, I'm always concerned.

I think this is also why I think our initial raise preflop is kinda meh. Our hand will most likely end up as a very mediocre hand postflop, and against a solid laggy player I'm not convinced this is the guy we're thrilled about building a pot against (even in position), especially since building a pot preflop will mostly always bring stacks into play postflop. I leave early street pot building to opponents who are much weaker / face up / straightforward where I won't have nearly as tough decisions postflop.

Gbutthat'smeG
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