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V1 (HJ, 300): Decent tight reg, slightly passive preflop, stays out of H's way. Plays fairly straightforward.

V2 (CO, 140): Fish, losing tonight and calling everything preflop, hands like 67o, A4o, etc. Fairly straightforward/fit or fold postflop.

H (SB, 450): TAG winning image.


1 MP limp, V1 raises to 10, V2 calls, BTN calls, H looks down at JJ and calls, MP calls

Flop (50): T33dd
H bets 30, V1 calls, V2 calls

Turn (140): 7h
H ???


Preflop: Although V1's open is fairly weak and looks like a speculative suited hand, I would 3bet this almost always but I think everyone including V2 is just folding worse if I 3bet here since I haven't been playing many hands (forget 3betting), also there's a slight chance V1 is doing this with a monster to induce. So I just make a less-variance play and decide to call and play it out. Besides, JJ is a trouble hand OOP if my 3bet gets called. Is it okay to get slightly passive here and flat JJ? I would be more inclined to 3bet it IP.

Flop: I decided to lead out 30 with an intention to bet/fold since these players are passive/straightforward and aren't raising anything that JJ beats. Maybe I call V2's shove. Do you guys bet/fold flop too?

Turn: Confused on this street since V1's flop call is scary. It's possible he flatted flop with an OP knowing H never has 3x here. FDs and Tx hands are possible too though. What's the plan?

I would bet/fold for 70 here. I'm planning to check the river and either fold or call depending on whether diamonds come in and whether we think he's likely to bluff a missed draw. I'm hoping for him to check overpairs behind on the river, but that may be too optimistic.

When there is a raise and two callers before you and one limper still to act and you call with JJ at SB, you are not calling with the intention that your JJ is good for its value. You are basically calling it for set mining. The mistake many llsnl players make is they play the hand for set mining preflop, then can't let go postflop. Chances are you are behind most of the time. You have no clue where you stand.
I would either play small pot post flop or raise preflop to play heads up or two way.

PF: I like squeezing here to $60. I don't want to just play this hand to set mine; I want to thin the field. V1's raise is pretty low for a 1/3 game which means he probably doesn't have QQ+.

F ($53): (5) handed. SPR is 5.4 and 2.4. Leading out is good. V1 probably doesn't Cbet becasue of 5 people in the hand.

T ($143): (3) handed. I'd keep firing. Bet $70. $70 commits you to V2, which is fine. If V1 shoves, we can safely lay this down.

Edit after reading OP's thoughts: I don't think that V1s call on the flop is "scary". He certainly could be doing this with two overs or two overs and a flush draw, or just a flush draw. He could even call here with 99. Hero is in the BB with favorable odds to call PF, so I think I wouldn't say you could never have a 3.

These are great holdings ... you can go every which way and still be 'right' as the golden rule of poker applies ... "It depends"

PF ... raise to thin field, 'get information' or steal ... no problem with any of these. Are you calling V1 4-bet or V2 shove? If not, then flat is fine ...

Flop ... In these spots I tend to bet closer to the pot or super small ($18-22) IF I choose to bet, which I think is a good thing to do as you very likely have the best hand. This acts the same as a PF 3-bet AND you are comfortable with the board.

Turn ... I think at this point I just put V2 all in and cross fingers with V1. A larger Flop bet might get V1 to call your $80-85 bet more often (and wider) than the $100 you 'can' do right now. The other option is to bet small enough to be able to 3-bet raise V1 out of the hand if V2 shoves. I like the large opening bet since it takes most of the thinking out of the hand the rest of the way. Are you folding to a V1 shove? Probably .. Is V1 going to raise/shove into both of you if you lead out on Turn very often, or is he just going to continue to trap and flat?

I can see your dilemma here .. you feel 'in the middle' even though you aren't with the stack sizes the way they are and your image of V1. I don't think I am ever going to not bet this Turn in some manner. GL

What do we make of V1's small open? Can $10 ever be a big hand for this guy? Doesn't he know it's always going to go a million ways and he's afraid of getting his hand cracked? If this can never be a big hand, then I'm 3betting preflop with all the dead money, especially if there are smaller stacks involved. If the other stacks are big like us and loose, or if V1 just like never ever raises or $10 can be a monster, then I'd be more on board with flatting.

I think I'm cool with the donk. We're basically looking to protect our vulnerable hand in a big pot if V1 just has big overs. When he calls the flop, I'm considering being done with the hand.

I check the turn. The only hand that V1 should have that is behind ours is big overs with the flush draw. Otherwise, he has us crushed. He'll let us know what his hand is on the turn. If V1 bets, I fold. V2 has less than a PSB left, if he bets (which will be a shove) we'll probably feel committed against him.

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