1/3 line check: flop vulnerable boat
Join Date: Sep 2008
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hero ($550) is mp with 22.
utg (drinking business guy, fishy but aggro, knows when to bluff, $1400) limps,
hero raises to 10,
btn (younger guy, pretty good, $400) calls,
bb (pretty nitty / weak tight $250) calls,
utg calls.
flop T2T r ($40)
checks around - should I bet here instead?
turn Q
bb leads 25
utg folds
hero raises small or calls?
Join Date: Apr 2013
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The purpose of playing small pp is to get value when u hit, u should slam dunk bet this flop, so many hands can call Tx and any pp 33-99
Join Date: Dec 2013
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We can't check the flop here.
It's too MUBsy (since you might not know that acronym, it stands for Monsters Under the Bed.)
If we won't bet this flop why did we RAISE with 22 when we could have flatted.
If we won't bet this flop even when we flat, why are we flatting?
We could argue that we shouldn't call 22 in MP, much less raise, but as played, we gotta bet the flop.
By not betting the flop we give all overpairs (which is, of course, all of them) a free card to hit one of their two outs. We give Tx a free card to hit one of their three outs.
Now to the turn. Our check on the flop looks weak. Many times the BB is either on a steal or believes they are value betting. Calling the $25 gives a free card since it won't cost the BB any more to draw it. RAISING the $25 makes it look like we think he is FOS. We HOPE he has Tx because he will never fold it now.
As played, raise small or call? Neither. "Big hand, big pot." We should make it a hundred more to go, with the plan to get most or all of it in on the river.
Suppose the BB reraises our "hundred more to go" right there? Only then can we consider "maybe we are beat after all." But he might do this with AT as well, but cross that bridge in the unlikely event he does reraise.
Join Date: Jul 2012
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How much should we bet on the flop and on the turn (with 1 caller otf) ? 1/2 psb each street?
Join Date: Aug 2013
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I like a flop bet of $25 or so.
We need to start setting up the pot to stack a T.
And we can still get value from 66 - JJ.
Turn, raise to $85 seems about right.
Join Date: Jan 2007
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don't slowplay. Think about how many times you bet with no hand. Those bets are already disguising the fact that you have a hand this time - you don't have to disguise it further.
Big hand, big pot.
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Bet a lot at every possible chance. Checking flop is bad with deep stacks. There's no such thing as a vulnerable boat.
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Thanks for the advice everyone. No sense in slow-playing this hand.
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Why did we raise preflop? The small $10 raise has absolutely no chance at thinning the field (therefore we have no FE / steal equity postflop), we're going to hate every flop that doesn't have a 2 on it (will have to check/fold almost every flop), etc. I just overlimp.
I pot the flop. Let's just hope someone has a T or isn't willing to fold their "two pair" or feels like getting tricky with air.
If Villain is bluffy, at this point on the turn I might just call and hope he continues to spew air into us. If he's willing to get stacks in with any T, then perhaps we should raise and be ok with playing for stacks. If he's not willing to get in ~180bb stacks with any T, it might be a more difficult decision.
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Join Date: Dec 2012
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This isn't PLO. Your boat isn't "vulnerable." Pretend you're a kid putting coal in an 19th century train engine and shovel that money in.
I don't mind a $10 pot sweetener at all at this stack depth. Makes stacking someone when we hit easier, might keep someone from raising bigger after us, gives us the initiative in case the flop does end up 2-3 handed so we can steal sometimes when we miss, and disguises our hand (a thinking/semi-thinking opponent will put us on more broadway cards, less 22).
Join Date: Oct 2010
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I prefer limping along here.
You absolutely must flop and AP you must raise turn.
Join Date: Mar 2010
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Agree with majority above - limp pre, lead flop, raise turn