V (UTG, $800): Fishy reg. Limps and calls everything marginal/trashy pre in all positions. Raises better hands. Slightly better postflop. Views Hero as very tight and puts him on AA anytime Hero raises and cbets. Apparently, he loves to chase/hit and crack big hands. He has an ounce of bluffing frequency in him too but I've yet to see him bluff against me in a pot.

Earlier hand with V tonight: V limps UTG, Another limp, Hero raises to $20 in MP with AK, V calls, another caller..
Flop ($65ish): A75ssd... V c/c $30 cbet saying "I think you have aces again"... I instantly know he has some sort of draw
Turn ($125): 4c... V c/c $60 saying "I don't believe you have aces"...
River ($245): 7h... c/c... V shows 45ss for counterfeited turned two pair and obvious flush draw and MHIG. Says "I got lucky" and gets flamed by neighbour for not raising turn.

OTTH

Same scenario few minutes later.. V limps UTG, Another limp, Hero ($400) raises $20 in MP but this time with AA... 1 fishy caller in blinds, V calls

Flop ($65ish): 993ssd
Check, Check, Hero bets $30, Fold, V raises to $60, Hero tank-calls (?)

Turn ($185): Qh
V snap-announces "check" in a relaxed tone, Hero checks (?)

River ($185): 5c
V quickly bets $75, Hero ??

Line check on all streets appreciated. Thanks.

Bet turn. As played call river.

Bet the turn and fold to further aggression. I'm not folding river for $75

I think the turn is a bet.
From the action in the other hand I think he would be concerned w defending against the flush draw, and getting value to a degree if he had a 9, I also don't think he plays QQ as a limp call very often and I very much don't we need to be worried about getting blown off the hand on a turn c/r Bluff. He's only going to c/r if he has it, and in that case we were going to spend the money on the river to figure it out anyway, so let's get the value ott from his draws.

River is a Def call, we get 3.5:1 on a call and only lose to 9x, 33 and 55 in all likelihood, too many bluffs and Qxss in his range to save a bet, and our line is too strong w the hand we have to get paid by worse to raise river imo. We would need a mega read to get extra value, or fold river ever.

Assuming he´s raising the flop with spades and we don't have the ace of spades I count 36combos of spades. Discounting somewhat I would say 15 combos of pp's. I count 51 combos with a 9 in them. PP's might fold if we bet and spades still have decent equity against us.

Obvious bet on the turn if he is unlikely to check with a nine.

If he checks nines, might bluff or bluff catch us on the river, I think I like the turn check.

Still, most players are not checking a nine on the turn so I bet/fold all day.

I can't fold the river there unless I know he never bluffs. Even OMC's can find the occasional bluff here.

Yep consensus....as played fine and call the river. I kinda like the check back turn because it turns our hand into a bluff catcher on the river, and most of the time were WAWB here, but leading turn and folding to raise makes sense too.

Although double check raise is a pretty ballsy move with the 9 lol....if he flats our turn bet it's a check back river IMHO.

As played call river.

For those advocating a turn bet, how much? $100?

$115

$85-$120

Just keep it standard for the whole betting range

I'm betting around $100 on the turn and hoping for a call. If he check raises again pretty much committing us then I'd give him credit and fold.

As played river is definite call. Less than half pot bet, only real hand you lose to is 9x IMO, and if it is 9x you can be content he played it terribly.

So with a hand as good as 1 pair + a fd he doesn't even c/r, that doesn't meet his threshold to raise, it's a c/c.

And when he c/r's a flop later you don't want to fold? If he isn't raising a hand with 14 outs to improve on the next card I don't think he's c/r'ing TT on a 9-high, paired board.

AP call river.

Agreed with all, I bet turn. If I got check raised again, I'd fold.

If I got flat called on the turn. I'd probably check river if check to and call any river bet less than pot

Results: Hero called river and V showed 94cc

I'm not sure if he checked turn to trap (most likely because he knows I have an overpair here a lot and will fold if he bets again) or was scared of QQ/trips with better kicker which is unlikely to be in my range. Also, spades are unlikely to be in my range here.

I think V outplayed me in this hand.

Snap river. 9x is rarely going to snap x turn w two spades out there.

Thats an interesting point... Really interesting. V checking the turn is confusing tho...

My analysis was **** as usual. I read the HH as ''V got flamed for not raising the flop'' and inferred that he might raise this flop with a flush draw.

I guess the key to this hand was that he ''Views Hero as very tight and puts him on AA anytime Hero raises and cbets.''

So our V, who didn´t raise a previous flop with a pair+fd and who puts us on aces all the time, suddenly c/r us on a paired board?

We should just fold and not tell anyone, no?

Nice catch. Props.

I don´t agree specifically that a player who doesn´t raise the flop with a pair+fd is never raising TT on a 99X board. A lot of V´s play draws and made hands very differently.

I´m going to STFU now.

^ TT is a small part of his range though, about all you beat. If you b/f otf and he shows TT it doesn't mean you were wrong. Folding isn't giving away much if anything.

My question is if he will limp call 20 with 94 suites what is his limp folding range. I he doesn't have a limp folding range I would raise more until I found out what his limp calling thresh hold is. It would be interesting how how much he will call preflop with. One of those situations where if villan will call more it's a crime not to raise larger pre. The villan type that puts you in aces but calls anyway is always nice to play against.

As for the hand I think your line is pretty decent. Most villans min x raise range is value than it is semi bluffs. It's not like they want you to fold. Checking Turn is questionable but on a board like this we are often WAWB. Checking can induce some river bluffs and value bets with worse so I'm always calling river.

He doesn't limp with a hand as strong as TT pre. Maybe 77 but not TT. Even if he does have TT, he's just c/c one time on flop "because I probably have aces". They're scared with even KK on this board and like to just call.

If table is raisey I'd be ok with a limp/reraise attempt this deep.

The third guy really screws up the SPR for us. We're now in a < 6 SPR pot with what Villain considers a face up hand, having given him terrific 20+ implied odds preflop. It's a gross spot, hence why I'd prefer a limp/reraise.

If I'm betting postflop, I'm betting to fold. Otherwise, I'm pretty cool with checking back this fairly dry flop and just going for 2 streets of value. Again, the SPR is < 6; any bet on the flop makes stacks trivial to play for by the river, so do we want to play for stacks? I don't. As played, I'd fold to the check/raise; Villain thinks we have exactly what we do, and he's check/raised us.

I also check back the turn as played.

River is tough, but I think I'd call. It's possible he backed into a Qx + flush draw and is doing somewhat of a value / blocking bet, or could just be blindly bluffing with the busted draw.

ETA: For those who are betting the turn, anything reasonable leaves us with < 1/2 PSB left on the river. Are we folding to a river donk shove?

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