V ($300, UTG): This guy is very loose preflop but plays very good postflop poker (cbetting/bluffing/aggression/etc. all in his arsenal) and manages to run his stack up to $2000+ a lot of times . However, he views Hero as a nit and seems a little afraid to play in pots vs him.

V limps, 5 other limps to Hero ($300) who looks down at AsAh in BB, raises to $25, V calls, all others fold

Mostly, I'd expect V to fold here, but maybe he finally wants to play a pot with me in position.. this flop smacks his range imo.

Flop ($66): 8c 9c Qs
Hero ???

This is an extremely uncomfortable spot for me and I don't want to stack off 100 BBs here. I know we can b/f flop but what's our plan if he just calls? Can we mix up our play by check/calling to balance that range?

$45

Why not bigger? Also, what's your plan on future streets?

Throw in a standard c-bet, I would go $45/$50. That is an ugly board but you can't just give up, your hand is too good. I don't like a bigger bet because your OOP and villain can be anywhere from way ahead to way behind. You don't want to bloat this pot. My plan for the turn is to check/evaluate most cards. There isn't much you can do here but play poker. This is the sort of situation where I'm happy if villain has an under pair or low suited connectors and just folds the flop. I don't like check/call here because then your hand is transparent as a nut club draw or an over pair. There is nothing else you raise with out of the BB and then check/call on such an ugly flop.

Preflop probably should have been bigger. I don't like raising to around 10% of my stack OOP because it complicates post flop play. Either go smaller so you have some room to maneuver or go big and stack off. With 6 limpers in front, I would go $40 so that SPR is under 3 and plan on stacking off on all but the worst flops.

There are 6 combos of reasonable sets here, a few combos of flopped straights, some combos of two pair, but ~50 combos of reasonable pair +flush draw, pair + straight draw, straight draw +flush draw, pair + straight draw + flush draw hands.

I'd bet $55 here and if he call I'd plan to check jam most turn cards that are not a 9, T, J, Q, or club.

We want him to call with the weaker end of his (Qx, T9, etc.) range. We also don't want to value own ourselves when we're behind. $45 accomplishes both of that.

What to do on future streets depends on what card comes off on the turn and any reads I pick up on the guy. In general, the 2 gets another bet. The T is probably a check/fold.

Check jam? Wow.

As played, can we bet $80 OTR to rep missed flush draws?

When you say that this V is very good post flop, I assume that includes a solid bluff ratio? In other words, he is not bluffing too much? If so, I would lead flop with an amount that is on the lower end of your cbet amount without triggering a reraise. If you don't have a good feel for that then make a standard cbet. If he is bluffy chose a good strat against this particular style for getting to sd. For me, that often means c/c flop.

Now THAT is the type of play i expect from a guy with that screen name. The turn check jam is a good play to slow down bluffy villains. I use it with tptk/overpair hands a lot, but usually bot on this board where a lot of the hands that call have us crushed. Its really villain dependent here.

Check flop, bet turn/river.

Check/call flop and revaluate on turn

You have an SPR of little over 4. This isn't a great spot but you generally should go broke, esp if he doesn't raise you. $40 on flop. There are way more combos of pairs+gut shots and FDs compared to two pairs+. Check calling makes no sense here. Now if we were much deeper itd be different. Just bet and get it in on turn blanks.

If he raises you on flop, put him on a range and act accordingly. You probably have like 40% equity against a range of FDs, two pairs+, and some tp+gut shot combos.

First, we are in a horrible seat as this is absolutely the last guy we want to have on our left (loose preflop, good/tricky postflop). Get a seat change.

After this many limps I would just make it $30 so I can mostly brain dead stack off postflop in HU / maybe 3way pots.

In the end our SPR is ~4 and we're HU on a drawy board. He's unlikely to have QQ. Even 99/88 *might* be raised preflop. TJ and two pair hands are definitely possible. Good draws are also very possible. I feel I'm committed, so I'm potting the flop to shove the turn and I'm getting it in on the flop if he wants to.

GimoG

Really GG? Potting flop vs this guy on this flop? What are you getting expected to call by, given your nitty "always wins" obvious AA-raise image?

Your image makes it really easy for this villain to exploit you.

If you bet, he can raise and you will fold anything but a made str8, big combo draw or set. Considering your image, you will likely only have sets in this situation.
If I am playing vs you, I will raise every time in this spot.

If you check, he can triple barrel you off your hand.

Considering this, you have 2 profitable options.
Change your image/gameplan
Check/raise on this board.

Hero's range from the BB seems pretty polarized here: JJ - AA, and AK which is probably one reason he feels uncomfortable. For this reason and because you would hate being raised on the flop, I don't hate a check-call. In all likelihood he's going to call a flop bet anyway. So let him bet but don't let him raise. Keep the pot small and see what comes on the turn.

You should want to stack off 100bb every single time here on this flop against most V's. Especially a limp-call range. TONS of draws in that range and this board almost always hits him, very few hands this board doesn't hit. I'm looking for the fastest way to pile it in before the board gets ugly

Let's assume the Hero bets $45 and Villain calls
Turn is 10s.
Turn is Qc
Turn is 2s

Pot is $156 Hero has $230 behind

What does HERO do on each turn?

This is literally exactly why I don't want to get it in now. This is so similar to the other thread where people make the same point. Why get it in against a range of hands that is half full of "absolutely crushing us" and "we have a slight lead"? We make so much more money with so much less variance by checking the flop.

IMO, while the boards in both this hand and aguo's AA hand are both sucktastic, I think there are enough differences to play them differently. The SPRs are close (this hand 4.2, the other one 4.5), but this one is HU (opponents more likely to bluff in HU pots that 4way pots), plus this one Villain put in 8% of his stack preflop with implied odds of only ~12x in a HU pot, whereas in other one Villain put in just 5% of his stack with implied odds of ~19x in a multiway pot (i.e. I'm more comfortable giving Villain my stack in this hand as compared to the other one).

GcluelessNLnoobG

I was talking about the 98s straight hand actually.

I agree with you in this case Gobbo, but we have to agree on disagreeing when it comes to the 98 straight hand.

To me this hand is different in many sorts of ways.

My bad, I don't think (?) I know that hand.

Not sure why this is such a nasty board for AA ... yes, it has a ton of potential for 'other' holdings, but its not deathly IMO.

If you are so concerned about his post-Flop play, then yes, get a seat change please.

I dont mind c/c this spot and leading all 'safe' Turns ... sure that includes most cards above 9, but hey ... there is the other half of the deck!!

There seems to be a ton of 'ghosts under the bed' in OPs today ... variance is variance ... AA gets beat 20% of the time. Proceed with caution if you feel you need to, but there if you dont act like you have a hand that opens the door up to more bluffs and poker playing aspects of this hand beyond the cards in each holding. GL