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12-14-2013 , 12:16 PM
Villain is an older gentlemen who just sat down and seems like he's ornery and in a bad mood. I said "hi how you doin" the moment he sat down and he just grunted.

$300 eff stacks

folds to him in MP, he calls, I'm next to act and raise to $12 with A A

he calls to make it HU to the flop

Pot $25 flop

2 5 T

check, I bet $10

I made this small because the flop is dry as the Arabian desert and it might annoy him enough to play back. He calls.

Pot $41 after drop

Turn Q

check, hoping the turn hit him, I bump the bet up a little higher and make it $30, he calls.

Pot $101

River 6

He leads for $70. Is this a fold or a call?

Last edited by attentionnoone; 12-14-2013 at 12:26 PM.
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12-14-2013 , 12:44 PM
raise more pre. pot flop, bomb turn, and shove river.
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12-14-2013 , 01:42 PM
I don't like this sort of game against an unknown villain exactly because there is no way of telling if river is a call or fold here. Against specific villains this is anything from a trivial call against fish who will bet any QX here or guys who love to bluff when a possible flush comes in, to a trivial fold against nits. Generically, I give him credit for backing into something that beats hero and fold.
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12-14-2013 , 01:59 PM
You just let your aces get cracked and paid him to do it.

Bet more preflop.
Bet more OTF.
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12-14-2013 , 02:19 PM
Ya I like a bet of 15 pre. Your flop bet is bad, your giving him 3.5/1 on a call. You should of made it 20-25. The turn sizing is better but he most likely picked up lots of equity. As played he could have backed into a flush, and I may fold. The issue with the hand is the sizing. I think folding is likely the best play now but you could of been committed by the river so you wouldn't of been out to this decision.
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12-14-2013 , 02:36 PM
Pre flop is fine but I would have bet $20 OTF. Call river
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12-14-2013 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ALRounder
Pre flop is fine
No, it's not.

OP is creating a SPR of 12, setting up a scenario that calls for pot size bets on flop, turn and river to get all in.

With a hand that's overwhelmingly likely to end up as a one pair hand, this is as difficult to play profitably as anything in poker.

You're very unlikely to get 3 streets of value, and unless V loses his head and overshoves during the hand, you're very unlikely to get away when V makes 2p+ because you allowed him to continue for pennies.

Playing $1-3 make it at least $18 - $20 after one limper.
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12-14-2013 , 03:04 PM
The only hand you beat on the river is AQ and it's unlikely he has that so it's a pretty easy fold imo.

I like raising to 5-6x against limpers because if they're calling 12 they are calling 15-18 and you want to punish them and make them pay the max amount they are willing to put in pre.

Flop bet should be bigger because again, the hands that are calling you are going to call you anyway if you bet 2/3 pot and we are value betting so we want a call.
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12-14-2013 , 04:38 PM
I can't get this idea of betting huge pre-flop i mean if a guy raise 18 or 20 in 1/3 i'll muck my QQ (already did twice and was right). what kind of hands will give you action? AK-AJ AA/QQ/JJ/TT thats it.
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12-14-2013 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MoreBrokeThanEven
I can't get this idea of betting huge pre-flop i mean if a guy raise 18 or 20 in 1/3 i'll muck my QQ (already did twice and was right). what kind of hands will give you action? AK-AJ AA/QQ/JJ/TT thats it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTH4KNiMyjU
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12-15-2013 , 07:45 AM
call

i like your sizing throughout the hand

ok, just looked at it again, i put out 15 on the flop. i save the 10 bet for when the flop comes 922r.

eff the haters

if villian checks the river, whats your sizing?

Last edited by pikkupossu; 12-15-2013 at 07:47 AM. Reason: oops
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12-15-2013 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Randinho
TY. But that is a tournament which is completely different, i won't ever fold in that situation in a tourney Even though that guy raised just 4 a sec time ....
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12-16-2013 , 04:25 PM
I typically would raise a lot more after 1 limper in MP cuz a $12 raise doesn't do much for narrowing the field at my table. However, at your table it got the job done (HU in position with initiative), so I guess I can't hate too bad (but that might be results oriented). Really, we'd like to be able to raise close to $30 here so we can stack off postflop, but that just might be too much.

On the flop the SPR is simply too large to stack of to. So we don't by not building a big pot. The easiest way to guarantee this is just checking behind this bone dry flop, which is what I would have done. I would have then bluffcatched the next two streets or bet them for value if checked to (and we will get paid off / bluffed into a lot due to our flop check back).

As played, every draw got there by the river and it's possible we were behind right on the flop/turn. I'd fold.

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12-16-2013 , 04:30 PM
River is a pretty easy fold I think.

Flop should be at least 15.

Turn is fine at 30 or 35 woulda been more reasonable if you had made it 15+ on the flop.
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12-16-2013 , 04:59 PM
thanks guys, sometimes when I fold here I wonder if it's a good fold or not

flop sizing is kind of interesting, I was trying to goad him into raising but I think adding the red chip is better. People are mostly passive anyway.

Seems like 34 face up to me tbh but just wanted to make sure I wasn't just being a doofus nit
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