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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Being directly OOP to this guy (although I don't understand his nut flush check back?!?) trumps being directly in position to the fish; heck, just moving two seats to the left basically gives you the best of both worlds.
I overlimp preflop. After 2 limpers plus the loose guy behind us (who'll have position) plus 3 other people still to react is just too early to be creating a bloated multiway pot, imo.
I also check the flop. By the looks of things we're getting about 7.5:1 to chase our likely dirty gutshot (so probably a ~14:1 shot). So we'll have to make up ~7 bets, but in this case that'll only be about a PSB on the turn, plus we'll still have the river, plus our gutshot will put some two pairs in play. I don't hate a sigh call closing the action here.
Can't stand our turn sizing. If we're not going to be able to get larger bets paid off then it's likely our flop peel wasn't profitable. On this type of board I'd ~PSB as now flush draws often have a gutshot, there's two pairs, etc.
Think we're likely better off bet/folding the river small (and setting our own price) even though we've only got a PSB left (but he really shouldn't have that much he'd be turning into a bluff or value jamming). If we're checking, I think we have to fold.
Immediate thing that comes to mind: don't build big pots OOP to difficult players.
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Agree with almost none of this.
First moving seats is d-bag move and reason a lot of fun players quit. (Nobody likes to feel like a mark. Even they understand why your suddenly moving seats)
I prefer raising pre. This argument has been hashed out 100 times. But KJ's plays well multI way with decent position. We are definitely going multi-way here.
Check flop is only choice. When pot is offering 10.5-1 on gutterball we have to call though.
Turn we make nutz. Don't like your sizing. Time to charge draws and get value from 2pair and sets.
$85
River is tricky. But calling flop has zero influence on whether we should call river.
We have 2 options. Bet/fold $100ish, or check/eval. Both have their merits. I likely check/call vs bluffy guys and bet/fold vs passive guys. Check fold vs passive stations and nits.
Against this guy. We have our best bluff catcher. So time to pay him off.