Hi all,

1/3 game playing deep and loose overall

V1: he just won a ton of money in blackjack and is in the game for about 1500.

He was playing insane at first just going all in blind getting people to fold from shear aggression. He hasn’t been playing too crazy against me however. He actually checked back the nut flush against me heads up! He has about 600 to start this hand

Hero: I am OOP to V1 (sucks) but I have position on a huge spot in this game. Who has like 1000
This hand I have 320 to start. Playing the tightest and most solid I believe. Going for strict value in this game

OTTH: 2 people limp and I raise to 15 with KsJs in the HJ

V1 calls in the cutoff a random V calls in the SB AND one limper folds.

(67)

Flop Ad Qd 3s

Checks to me and I check to V 1 who bets 14

WVWRYONE CALLS so I peel as well

(133) Turn 10h

Checks to me I bet 55

V1 tank calls everyone else folds

(243)

River 2d

I check he bets 175

Thoughts? Mandatory call after calling flop?

Being directly OOP to this guy (although I don't understand his nut flush check back?!?) trumps being directly in position to the fish; heck, just moving two seats to the left basically gives you the best of both worlds.

I overlimp preflop. After 2 limpers plus the loose guy behind us (who'll have position) plus 3 other people still to react is just too early to be creating a bloated multiway pot, imo.

I also check the flop. By the looks of things we're getting about 7.5:1 to chase our likely dirty gutshot (so probably a ~14:1 shot). So we'll have to make up ~7 bets, but in this case that'll only be about a PSB on the turn, plus we'll still have the river, plus our gutshot will put some two pairs in play. I don't hate a sigh call closing the action here.

Can't stand our turn sizing. If we're not going to be able to get larger bets paid off then it's likely our flop peel wasn't profitable. On this type of board I'd ~PSB as now flush draws often have a gutshot, there's two pairs, etc.

Think we're likely better off bet/folding the river small (and setting our own price) even though we've only got a PSB left (but he really shouldn't have that much he'd be turning into a bluff or value jamming). If we're checking, I think we have to fold.

Immediate thing that comes to mind: don't build big pots OOP to difficult players.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Agree with almost none of this.

First moving seats is d-bag move and reason a lot of fun players quit. (Nobody likes to feel like a mark. Even they understand why your suddenly moving seats)

I prefer raising pre. This argument has been hashed out 100 times. But KJ's plays well multI way with decent position. We are definitely going multi-way here.

Check flop is only choice. When pot is offering 10.5-1 on gutterball we have to call though.

Turn we make nutz. Don't like your sizing. Time to charge draws and get value from 2pair and sets.
$85

River is tricky. But calling flop has zero influence on whether we should call river.

We have 2 options. Bet/fold $100ish, or check/eval. Both have their merits. I likely check/call vs bluffy guys and bet/fold vs passive guys. Check fold vs passive stations and nits.

Against this guy. We have our best bluff catcher. So time to pay him off.

Yeah turn bet has to most easily enable stacks to get in on the river, i like a clean $100 stack. river then becomes a bit of a mute point.

As played i think you have to bet the river because 2pair hands that can call just check back. But if we bet say $100 targeting those two pair type hands and he jams its going to be a tough fold but i think disciplined unless we've seen villain overvalue hands previously.

You are folding a 3/4th pot river bet to the BLACKJACK player who shoves ALL IN blind? LMFAO.

This guy EASILY value bets worse in this spot, let alone bluffs. I honestly think he would value hands as bad as Ax here. Let alone 2 pair that he would treat as the "ZOMG nutter butters I now beat a pair of Aces!!!!".


I'm all for making exploitative folds in low stakes, but playing against MANIACS is the exception to the rule. We print money calling these guys as they COMPULSIVELY can't help themselves from chucking money into the pot with no regard.


You generally offer solid advice to beat 1/2 but you are seriously getting OWNED by maniacs as you are the only guy at the table folding to this guy post flop while the rest of the table is high fiving each other and laughing at how much $ this guy is dumping to them.

^^^^

Admittedly the read is a little all-over-the-place, but this last part suggests this guy is checking back a bunch of "value" hands against us.

GimoG

No it means he is a button clicker who is likely too drunk or high off coke to know what is going on.

Think about it, if he checks back the NUT FLUSH, then why would he be betting a flush in this spot? Wouldn't he just check?

Obv the guy didn't know he had the nuts and just flipped over his cards at showdown and happned to have the pot pushed his way.

Well I'm still confused by the read because it doesn't sound like this guy is going as nuts lately especially against us.

But if our read that this guy is a complete loose cannon who can be calling with a gutshot to rep the flush draw, then check/calling the river is fine.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I'm lost. How many players are in this hand? I count V1, SB, and Hero for 3 people. Correct? This is an important detail imo. It was misleading how you wrote "everyone" calls. There's only 1 caller if I'm reading this correctly...

That would also change the pot size OTF and OTT. Please clarify so you can get some better advice. I could just be spazzing and misreading.

most of this.

turn has to be at least 85. prefer 110. or, go silly small like 20 and hope that you get raised.

the only thing that I disagree with is that with all of those people in the hand, the likelihood that he was the only one with a flush goes up dramatically when he is the only to call the turn.

as played, for that price I would fold. But a call is almost as good.

Flop good, turn good we dont want to get it checked thru but bet way bigger

Ap river sigh call

I like everything except the teeny weeny turn bet, as long as you called river.

There are two limpers pre (somewhere between B.B. and hero).

Hero in HJ is 1
Villain in CO is 2
SB is 3
One of the limpers is 4 (other limper folded)

Definitely need to bomb the turn here