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1/3 KQ UTG vs BTN 6 handed 1/3 KQ UTG vs BTN 6 handed

08-22-2020 , 12:32 AM
Just sat down a few orbits ago and villian hasnt been very active. Only hand that I saw villian play was AKo from BB in which he only called and played very passive on A high board.

OTH -$300 Effective

Hero UTG dealth KQ raises to $10

V on BTN calls $10
BB calls $10

Pot($31)
Flop - KT5

BB Check
Hero Bets $11

BTN Raises to $25 BB fold Hero calls $14

Pot ($81)
Turn Comes Q

Hero Checks Villian bets $35 Hero tosses in call

River($151) 6

Hero Checks Villian bets $85

Do we ever fold here, seems like an easy call, thoughts?
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08-22-2020 , 02:48 AM
Yeah we beat KT and there are some missed draws available.

Nh wp, now call and lose to the obvious 55 please.
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08-22-2020 , 09:06 AM
Yup, call as played.

OOP, I'd make a small X raise on the turn. Would hate to lose value (AK/KT) on a river X back.
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08-22-2020 , 01:36 PM
As played top two is an easy call on the river. Too easy for villain to be playing AK/KT this way to give up at that point.

It's getting to that point at all that is questionable. KQo is a weak open UTG and should be avoided until you have a good read on the table. Flop probing bet is a mistake. Your TPGK is not a hand for probing because you have no idea what villain's response means. In practice you should mostly fold, there are not a lot of worse hands that make a smallish raise.
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08-22-2020 , 02:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadJ
As played top two is an easy call on the river. Too easy for villain to be playing AK/KT this way to give up at that point.

It's getting to that point at all that is questionable. KQo is a weak open UTG and should be avoided until you have a good read on the table. Flop probing bet is a mistake. Your TPGK is not a hand for probing because you have no idea what villain's response means. In practice you should mostly fold, there are not a lot of worse hands that make a smallish raise.
What do you mean by a probe? Just the sizing? Formally a probe is an OOP bet after the IP aggressor checked the last street. For example if Hero checked in this hand and BB bet turn.

KQo is pretty marginal full ring but it’s a very standard LJ open.

I think this hand is played pretty fine except I’d go like $20-$25 on the flop. I don’t see a great reason to size so small here.
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08-24-2020 , 11:45 AM
I fold preflop. I just simply doubt whether I can make this hand profitable OOP. But that's me.

SPR is 10 so we have a little room to move with our bet sizes so as not to get into tricky commitment spots OOP by the river. I'd still probably bet a little more on this board though.

Trivial fold against this guy to his flop raise. Dude is only playing premiums and is playing passively and now he raises the flop with another player still to react on a drawy board. It's less likely he is aggro playing a draw and more likely he simply has a hand that he wants to go to war with (and KJ ain't that hand).

I don't mind the check/call on this turn card. We've moved ahead of a couple of hands and his smallish sizing is suggesting maybe he doesn't have a monster that he is paranoid of protecting against the draw (like 55).

I think I might prefer a small blocking bet on the river. This guy just ain't getting out-of-line enough with busted draws plus will check back enough hands (AK for sure, perhaps even a paranoid KT) that we miss value sometimes. If he raises we can safely fold. As played, I think it's a gross spot against this guy. Although if we've literally only have 3 orbits history with him then probably a sigh call.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-24-2020 , 07:34 PM
I would cbet larger or x flop, I don’t bet this size on this board or vs randoms. We want to get more value and have better clarity vs a raise. I call river. If we don’t think he’s bluffy then GG’s idea of lead and folding to a raise has merit.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 08-24-2020 at 07:40 PM.
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08-25-2020 , 10:24 AM
pre without a read on table I'd lean fold

as played c-bet $20-25

turn I would decide here what river action is
if I'm going to fold to a river bet with a blank hitting river than why call here?

as played you have severly under-repped your hand
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08-25-2020 , 11:15 AM
I'm interested in the OP thought process (if any) as to his flop bet size and turn call.

Hero has played this as a TPMK hand, which of course is what he had until the turn. Not the best idea to bet a hand that reflects your hand strength.
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08-25-2020 , 12:33 PM
If SPR were shallower on flop I’d consider getting in here. But at full stack with sane preflop action, raising is too thin and targeting like KT exactly (when villain can easily have 55/TT/AcJc/Jc9c all in his range, making a raise not appealing)

I’m just calling down. He could still value bet a worse hand like KT, and there’s some bricked draws he can bluff off.

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08-25-2020 , 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lonex312
Just sat down a few orbits ago and villian hasnt been very active. Only hand that I saw villian play was AKo from BB in which he only called and played very passive on A high board.

OTH -$300 Effective

Hero UTG dealth KQ raises to $10

V on BTN calls $10
BB calls $10

Pot($31)
Flop - KT5

BB Check
Hero Bets $11

BTN Raises to $25 BB fold Hero calls $14

Pot ($81)
Turn Comes Q

Hero Checks Villian bets $35 Hero tosses in call

River($151) 6

Hero Checks Villian bets $85

Do we ever fold here, seems like an easy call, thoughts?

Grunch:
Not folding top two here vs a relative unknown. Sure we're losing to 55, TT, but we beat KT, AK, some missed FDs he could've had. I'd cbet larger though.
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