1/3 game 8 handed. Straddled to 6 (We had a round of straddles going).

About 4 hours in

+2 is loose player that will donk somewhat often
BB is somewhat LAG, above average player
Hero image has been somewhat card dead but turned up the heat a little as of late. Nothing that would seem obvious though

Hero KQ

+2 ($352)calls 6
Hero ($704) SB Raises to 26
BB ($707) Calls
+2 Calls 20

Flop ($81) K104

Hero bets $55
BB raises $175
+2 folds

Hero?

My range for him is Nut flush - Combo draws, worst draw would be QJ bare, K-10, 44, probably not K4 but a small possibility I guess.

He's also capable of firing the turn no matter what card comes.

i dont think you should raise pre

Based on your read he's probably not going nuts with a worse K. So he's skewed towards stronger value hands or draws that have decent equity. There's 12 combos of QJ that we have 80% equity against. Compared that to 6 KT combos, 3 combos of 44, one combo each of AQcc/AJcc/A4cc and 1 combo of K4 suited.

Assuming he raises 75% (educated guess) of the time with his bare QJ draw, he's gonna have a lot more value and/or coin flip kinds of his range than weaker draws. If he's not overplaying KJ or K9, this is a fold. Moreover, the more passively he'll play QJ, the more this is a fold.

Im assuming its a UTG straddle ? So there is 16 out there after the call ?

KQo is a pretty crappy hand but I do like to squeeze with it, nice blockers plus a lot of flops will be good for you to put pressure on against people calling to set mine with smaller PP's.

I think raising to 26 with a pot of 16 already is just asking for callers though, I would want to isolate the field and would be happy just winning the pot pre-flop. Given stack sizes, raising to 30-40 would be ideal here, leaning towards 35+.

As played, we got a decent flop but we are too deep to go for too much value here, I would have maybe put out a little protection bet like you but after being raised there is nothing we can do but fold here.

LAGS can make real hands too, and the best we can hope for is he has the nut flush draw etc, why flip for two buy in's ?

How deep is the table playing? If there are a lot of shallower (100bb or less) stacks at the table, we're sitting in by far the worst seat at the table (directly OOP to the deepstack LAG good player).

Being OOP to the deepstack LAG good player changes my preflop play quite a bit. After one limper and some dead money in the pot, I could see myself raising KQo here a decent amount of the time. But not with the BB here. I limp and play a smaller pot OOP here.

Flop is drawy and lots of worse hands can call bets, so I'd lead out too. And I'd fold to the raise. BB still has another player to act behind, so a raise is fairly strong. At the very least he should have a good draw, but he could also be crushing us. If we call we're basically just hoping he shuts down so we don't have to put in even more money and hoping he checks back the river.

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+1 to gg, we desperately need to move seats. With a LAG who isn't a crazy monkey I'm not looking to play this OOP for a big pot, so I also complete the SB.

AP we have to dump it. Our equity against his range is really bad and even if we're ahead we have to assume villain will fire again.

It was a relatively deep table. Max buy in was 500 and a ton of money flowed early.

I do agree I should've raised more pre. Sometimes I'll limp pre with that hand but I wanted to get value from the +2 limper (I should've stressed earlier by loose I mean he limped probably like 50% of hands).

+2 to GG's seat change.

Without better reads, or if the plan is simply to call and fold the turn, I'm all for folding here.

That said, it bothers me that we've been at this table for 4 hours and don't have better, workable reads on V. V being a bit LAGgy and capable of firing two streets doesn't tell us virtually anything. I feel like this could be a much easier if we'd been paying closer attention. If V is truly LAGgy and mixing it up in far more than a reasonable share of pots then I'd probably flat his raise and jam non-flushed turns.

He was a pretty young guy, looked like he was 21-22 that talked about playing on full tilt before Black Friday and traveling around a few times a year to play in other areas. He played very LAG early but slowed down somewhat as time passed.

I was in another pot where he slightly over bet flop and bet pot turn that I raised off his bluff, so he bets more 1/2 or 2/3 if he has something decent to great.

So based on the size of the raise I figured he'd raise to like 225-250 if he had a more vulnerable draw.