Villain (effective stack of $300; 30s reg; doesn't seem particularly aggro or loose)

4 limpers (including villain from EP), hero raises KK to $17 from BU, 2 limpers + SB call

I should probably actually size up a little bit.

Flop ($74) J 7 6
Checks to hero, hero bets $40, villain calls, everyone else folds

Again, I should probably size up a bit here.

Turn ($154) 2
Villain checks, hero bets $75, villain jams ~$250, hero?

20 or 25 pre is a bit better. Can’t really fold now that 75 more went in. Sure he has you in bad shape a bunch, particularly when he called flop w players behind. However, it isn’t that impossible for him to have a draw as often as a set given there’s a good chance he plays both sets/draws as ckc on the flop and no has more incentive to jam that same range. Just too many hands w not enough info and too big of a pot/‘small’ a call off, and equity to fold.

I think you need to revisit your preflop sizing. Second thread I’ve commented in where I think you went too small. Think about it, if you had limped, there would be $19 in the pot. Your raise isn’t even 3/4ths pot when 4 people have shown interest. When 4 people limp, it needs to be at least full pot when you raise (in this case $22, since it’d be $19 if you called the big blind of $3, so $19+$3 = $22). Really, something like 1.25x-1.5x pot is better, so I’d consider just making it $30 here.

Flop isn’t terrible. But I mean you are betting into 3 people when you have the option to check; so you may as well use a strong sizing. $55 sounds good.

If he isn’t “too loose or aggro”, then honestly I think this is just a set a lot. Not many two pairs out there (76s of which there’s 3 combos). It sucks but if this guy has just been sitting there playing 22/6 and comes out swinging, I think we need to give him credit.

That’s not to say we should always be folding. I realize houses tend to converge in what we should do here. I’d never call this from a 65 year old Foxwoods comp grinder but I’m probably not folding at Encore Boston Harbor for example.

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Preflop probably isn't big enough. It depends on table conditions but after 4 limpers I would be starting at $25 and sizing up from there at typical tables.

Turn is a typical baluga theory situation. It's time to carefully evaluate your situation when you get check/raised on the turn. Favor bet/fold because villain's line is standard play with a set but don't always fold. Sometimes villain will show up with a draw or an over played worse single pair.

After 4 limpers I probably attempt to get in 10% of stacks preflop if I can (admittedly might be difficult if lots of stacks are different sizes). Preflop result can set us up for very sucky spots.

Preflop sizing to setup good spots is so imperative, imo. Here we ended up going 4ways to an SPR < 4 pot (where stacks can go in with just 2 bets postflop) and board is super drawy so we should be hammering it for stacks, and yet at the same time we gave everyone very good 20+ IO preflop. It just sets up very difficult to play spots where every line we take postflop kinda sucks.

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