Ugh my head is spinning. I reckon I cbet here cuz I pretty much always cbet if I can get away with it. Sometimes you take it down. Sometimes you hook up. Whatever. Money is money.

A cbet therefore (coming from me anyway) could mean pair, draw, or nothing. Likewise a turn check could mean the same thing.

In contrast, a flop check and a bet when the flush card falls really only means one thing. Sure you could slow play and hope somebody catches up. But then you lost value otf. This adds up after a while.

I'm not smart enough to pull off fancy plays. I just stick with the flight plan. Usually works out ok.

This is normally my thinking too. It's an easy hand to play. Bet flop, watch both fold, win 33 bigs. If you meet resistance, you can always check back turn. betting the flop can't be a mistake because the pot is already big and 2 folds is an excellent result. Not to mention, had I not actually had a hand like this, I pretty much never check it back. But I don't think either villain would be able to decipher that.

i and yet this isn't bad either. I had basically the same plan. If BB checks the turn and HJ bets, I will raise this. That was my plan.

I kind of think that this is the perfect storm of implied odds. Since the HJ never has a set, the only hand I can't push him off of on the turn is QJ which has to be a small enough % that I can raise the turn if he bets. If the BB leads, there are a number of different things I can do. I can keep my options open, still hit and still win with the worst hand.

Some of these threads DO have a happy ending. I actually dislike betting here because of V1. The Q and J smacked his pf range pretty hard, and it's a little bit of a disaster if I bet and V2 folds, V1 calls.

I check. Turn 3

V2 bets $80, V1 calls, I tank for a minute, and shove. V2 starts sweating like he wants to fold, should fold, but can't bring himself to do it and calls. V1 rolls his eyes and mucks while showing a Jack. River bricks and I take it down.

I still think betting flop is best. What would you have done if it was the 2 on the turn -- or basically any other card that didn't hit you?

Also, you might have gotten them to both come along on the flop and gotten a little more out of V1. Glad the shove worked, but I might have made a decent raise and brought V1 along.

Of course we're happy. We're ecstatic. We just won a $100 pot with a pair of 3s.

would have flat called expecting to be paid on all rivers that hit and folding all misses, did not expect v1 to fold EVER after he led the turn

had v1 checked and v2 bet, I raise any turn except another Q or J

had they both checked, I bet all turns and expect to take it down close to always