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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
what is the obsession with SPR and going all in 100+BB deep with overpairs on this forum? seems to me to be a way to get called by only better hands. or making it so huge preflop that you either win $10 or get stacked by a limped AA.
i think there is an argument for actually raising preflop smallish here if people are going to call anyway so you dont bloat the pot too much against multiple opponents. i also think checking is beyond stupid as it simply misses huge value. i know that raising small pre to like 3x isnt something anyone else is going to suggest, but if so explain to me why its wrong.
its almost like a fixed limit hand against a typical loose passive crowd. raising preflop is for value. then when you flop an overpair keep betting small and then fold to any aggression.
I'm not convinced raising smallish gets you in a better spot. A small $10 raise is going a guaranteed 5ways after 4 limpers (perhaps even 6way if the BB comes along), which produces a fairly awkward SPR of ~7 OOP (maybe even less against smaller stacks). I think with most hands we should be aiming for either very small SPRs (easy peasy commitment postflop) or very large SPRs (gives us lots of room to play poker postflop without awkward commitment decisions factoring in).
Also really don't think we should be comparing it to Limit. In Limit due to the limited betting structure we are fine getting in as much as possible as likely an equity favourite on any street due to the remaining bets going in on later streets making up a very small percentage of the overall pot; in NL the bets going in on later streets (when we might not have the equity edge) can dwarf the bets going in on early streets (where we had the equity edge). And in SPR pots like ~7, we better hope our opponents are kind enough to raise us off our hand before the river, cuz otherwise a raise/bet/bet will normally unwittingly commit us (as will some check/calling OOP).
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